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To: Jim Robinson
All good points Jim - but what happens when the FBI starts no-knocking suspected terrorists; holding them without charging them; not letting them consult with an attorney; and seizing their assests without a conviction? That last point ought to hit close to home; remember how I got flamed for supporting asset forfeiture when I was a newbie? Let's be consistent here. Sure, I don't want any more Americans to die to a terrorist attack; but I don't want this country to become a police state to accomplish that goal. Further, how long until those with critical opinions of Government become "suspected terrorists" and are subject to the treatment described above? Do you really want 65% of FreeRepublic's posting members, including you, to disappear overnight? Think that can't happen?

My concern with a "Homeland Security" cabinet position is that it will morph into a kindler, gentler KGB. Do we really want that? Do we really want to surrender even more of the Constitutional Restrictions on government?

Sure, the adults are in charge now - but what happens after things calm down and the Media goes back to supporting a bunch of Socialists and the next thing you know Hillary and Schumer are President and VP? Do you really think they can be trusted with more power? I don't.

44 posted on 09/24/2001 4:40:01 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
It's simple really. We'll deal with it if and when it happens.

There is little point running around screaming what might happen (as far as our rights go) until we have evidence that it is happening.

I think non-citizens are guests here and have fewer "rights". It is not unreasonable to be able to hold someone 48 hours that is a non-citizen that is suspected of crime prior to their leaving the country. The previous rule was 24 hours I believe.

54 posted on 09/24/2001 4:55:22 AM PDT by DB
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To: Abundy
Sure, the adults are in charge now - but what happens after things calm down and the Media goes back to supporting a bunch of Socialists and the next thing you know Hillary and Schumer are President and VP? Do you really think they can be trusted with more power? I don't.

I hate to seem callous to the pain of the families but this is the thing that has haunted me almost from the beginning. The first time I heard the phrase "Our lives will never be the same again" something deep inside started to quiver. As I watched the uniformed soldiers telling people to show their IDs my heart sank. This is not going to turn out well.

Since my state instituted DUI roadblocks, I have rehearsed, in my mind, exactly what I would say should I encounter one and how I would behave. Most of the scenarios don't have me merrily going on my way. So be it, but unless I am, for good cause ( ie. other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time) suspect of a crime, I will not answer "where have you been and where are you going".

Now it seems there may be more checkpoints for me to run mental scenarios on. I flash back to the movie "Hunt for Red October" wherein on of the Soviet officers was amazed that we were free to move from state to state without showing our papers and I wonder how long that will be possible.

As far as I'm concerned, foreign visitors, students, guest workers should be implanted with a chip like a pet's ID chip. However it should have tracking capabilities and maybe even some pain producing device so that if they aren't out of the country by the time they said they would be, they'd wish they were. I don't care what we do to non citizens. I just want to be left alone. I don't want an ID card. I don't want face recognition cameras on every corner. When I found out the technology existed to track cellphones to such a precise degree that they used the victim's phones to locate their bodies in that rubble, I tossed the cellphone.

I know this is war and I understand the willingness to extend the power of the government during times of insecurity. I take that back. I don't understand it because I, too, worry about the powers we give now, to this administration, in the hands of some future administration. Seeing how billyboy used the government to affect those who criticized him ....well that's what's ruining my sleep.

86 posted on 09/24/2001 5:49:04 AM PDT by snorkeler
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To: Abundy
Sure, I don't want any more Americans to die to a terrorist attack; but I don't want this country to become a police state to accomplish that goal.

Now that's a conundrum, isn't it?

I have no doubt in my mind that if the Qaeda existed when the Republic was founded, all those rights you hold so dear would not have been granted to non-citizens. Speculation sure, but reason and induction are still valid tools.

My opinion is that a Constitutional Amendment is overdue to address this reality of modern times. It also would address the other weakness, illegal immigration.

Legal immigration has always been a pillar in the foundation of our stregth as a country, but as of late it has become a joke.
A very expensive joke, paid with the price of the blood of thousands of our innocent citizens. And thousands more will die as the price of doing nothing to address who the rightful recipients are of those rights you hold so dear.

Illegal aliens and terrorist should not have any rights.
We ignore the present danger at our peril.

113 posted on 09/24/2001 6:44:13 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Abundy
post 44, very well stated
182 posted on 09/24/2001 9:24:55 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Abundy
"Sure, the adults are in charge now - but what happens after things calm down and the Media goes back to supporting a bunch of Socialists and the next thing you know Hillary and Schumer are President and VP? Do you really think they can be trusted with more power? I don't.

Ahhh! A breath of reason as last..........

185 posted on 09/24/2001 9:28:48 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Abundy
What you said!
204 posted on 09/24/2001 9:43:33 AM PDT by jaime1959
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