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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Why do you feel Abundy is paranoid? Can you not see the potential danger facing us in the name of security? Are you willing to blindly follow people who, in the final analysis, don't give a tinkers dam about us. We are talking about giving absolute power to people who we do not know personally. I will back the Pres, but, I will keep a watchful eye. I do not doubt his sincerity or his honesty, but, I do remember his father on more than one occasion mention the new world order. All he is saying as I read his post is "be careful" America. Which do you prefer Freedom or security? I'll take freedom!
141 posted on 09/24/2001 8:06:51 AM PDT by poet
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To: poet, Nuke'm Glowing, Inspector Harry Callahan, Jim Robinson
Thank you, poet. Yes, I'm saying be careful.

That makes me paranoid. Then I point out where Dick Hastert is calling for national ID card and NG pontificates that we shouldn't be concerned until it passes?

Bullshit.

NG, it is your type that allowed the Germans to disarm and enslave the Jews. Wait until the law is passed? Get a grip. The fact that a supposed conservative is even proposing the idea of national ID cards should scare the hell out of everyone in this country (especially true conservatives) - except those that worship at the altar of the State. Where do you worship NG? Do I need to change my designation as a conservatice republican? I sure as hell don't want to be associated with a party and/or political philosophy that embraces national ID cards and an "us vs them" mentality where legitimate criticism of government is concered. I refuse to become that which I have despised all my life - fascists and Socialists. How about you? Is it ok to be a Fascist if that fascism is approved by the RNC?

Label me or anyone else that raises concerns traitors; libertarians (as if that's a negative thing, I thought polictial expression was supposed to be a good thing?) or worse?

You need to understand something NG - the country and this forum are founded on the proposition of limited government, NO STIFLING OF DEBATE as practiced by the mainstream media and the liberals. Stop acting like those this forum was formed to defeat.

155 posted on 09/24/2001 8:50:16 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: poet
I'll take both. But there has been alot of opinion posted questioning every move up to the point of including blaming the government for wanting this to happen to increase it's power (the shortwave radio loons believe this one). I agree with civil discourse. I do not believe in the two extremes. This is not the time for it. Nor is it the time for our government to be forced to back down from a fight because we have concerns that at this point in time are unfounded.
169 posted on 09/24/2001 9:06:51 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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