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--wow, a lot of info! a lot of work, too! thanks.

An alternate theory of mine on mcveigh/nichols. I think they got re-recruited, and were thinking they were working undercover as part of a big investigation and sting attempt, then got set up as patsies. Various threats and drugs were then used to keep them more or less quiet. Just a pet theory, but I think it makes more sense then mcveigh deciding to do this all on his own, then seeking out islamics to work with. It just doesn't jibe with all the earlier reports of him being a flag waving dotmil guy, I don't think he would have 'worked" with radical islamics, unless ordered to. That would also help to explain the continuuing on-purpose obfuscations and cover-ups.

I tend to agree with you. It would seem that Islamic sought him out and USED him, knowing McVeigh's hatred for the government here, they simply fed his twisted thinking encouraged him, then sat back and watched him destroy his own people, thereby leaving no trace of Islamic involvement, except that there was the incident of the Arab man who I believe was trying to leave Okc that night, this was reported by some TV news reporter that night of the OKC bombing (I think it was that night), this lady reporter stayed on this story, it went no where and that Arab threatened to sue to TV station. Seems like Police, FBI poo pooed it, or maybe not.

None of us knows the answers, this matter is so twisted I don't believe anyone could ever uncover all the goings on, just when you think you have it down, the islamic cells go off on some other tangent. If they are reaching into political activity, and we can bet they are, then our politicians are never going to tell us the truth as they would be uncovered. I am wondering today about each political leader, who took money from some of these groups to further their career, what must they be feeling? Are they traitors, could they have suspected what they were getting involved in? My answer to that question is yes they could have known if they had know Jesus.

There are no GREY areas anymore, each person has to choose, pity and prayers for those that chose to aid and abet our now known enemys. I fear some of their hearts must be very very heavy with guilt.