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To: piasa
"That song is not about peace. It is about the marxist revolution and the creation of the new communist man"

Hmmmm...I have absolutely NO IDEA how you come to the conclusion the song is about the marxist revolution and the new communist man. Are you kidding and this is a joke? Here are the lyrics. Please show me how you come up with that analysis. Thanks.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

89 posted on 09/22/2001 7:34:36 AM PDT by rocker68
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To: rocker68
Sharing all the world...

...and this does not strike you as Communist? Hmmm.
Never mind what I said to you above; it is impossible for you to think logically.

96 posted on 09/22/2001 7:37:28 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: rocker68
Imagine all the people Living for today
And no religion too

Imagine no possessions

These are the phrases that remind us of communism. Churches and religion are discouraged, if not outright banned, in communistic countries. The STATE becomes the caretaker of the people; religion is a threat to the government.

The "no possessions" part is a no-brainer. By its definition, communism means "goods held in common," it's a "collective."

Now I don't want to offend or anything, and I don't mean this sarcastically, but are you serious when you say you don't see a connection between Lennon's song and communism???? Mind if I ask how old you are?

113 posted on 09/22/2001 7:52:22 AM PDT by PLK
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To: rocker68
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Marx supported the subordination of religion to the state. Socialists do not need to save or work for the future, and only 'live for today'.

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Marxists today are against nationalism, and support a one-world government. "Nothing to kill or die for" would imply that there is nothing worth defending or preserving for the individual, as everything belogs to the state, and they are the super-nanny. Once again, encouraging 'no religion'.

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

One of the MANY major criticisms of the Socialist is that they are dreaming if they think that Socialism will work THIS TIME, and has never been given a fair chance to succeed. Once again, 'living as one' implies a one-world governemnt. Notice he never sings "no government".

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

No private property rights, destroying most of the rule of American law. 'No greed', of course bashing conservatives and capitalism. No hunger, even though that has never been accomplished, even in this most wealthy nation ever... and certainly isn't missing in Russia's bread lines. "Brotherhood of man" is another call for uniting under one ruling body for the whole planet. 'Sharing all the world' again eliminated property rights, individual rights, and sovreignty.

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Dreamer refrain. Begging for converts, as the only way it will happen in America is through the vote. "World will live as one..." One WHAT, rocker?

Is that enough analysis for you? Or do you need Mr. Lennon himself to come back from the grave and tell you your interpretation is not the intent of the song. I'm glad you like it ("Yesterday" is my all-time fave), but it was uncalled for during a show supporting AMERICAN ideals.

132 posted on 09/22/2001 8:09:45 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: rocker68, OKSooner, Arthur McGowan, aruanan, Romulus, Orual, all
(#89)

Yes, there it is in plain English. An atheist anthem: not clever/witty-atheist (say, in the Shaw or Bierce vein), but global-village idiot atheist. And the instruments plod along from a treacle well.

140 posted on 09/22/2001 8:17:45 AM PDT by dighton (Some of my best friends are witty atheists.)
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To: rocker68
from Chapter 2
Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

also excerpt:
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."

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Hmmmm...I have absolutely NO IDEA...

It shows.

157 posted on 09/22/2001 8:30:46 AM PDT by babyfreep
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To: dighton
"You may say I'm a dreamer"
170 posted on 09/22/2001 8:42:17 AM PDT by Orual
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To: rocker68
I stand on the stairway
My back to the dungeon
The doorway to freedom
So close to my hand
Voices behind me
So bitterly damn me

For seekimg salvation
They don't understand

Lord help me to shoulder
The burden of freedom

And give me the courage
To be what I can
And when I am wounded
By those who condem me
Lord help me forgive them
They don't undseratand

Lord help me to shoulder, the burden of freedom
And give me the courage
To be what I can
And when I am wounded
By those who condem me
Lord help me forgive them
They don't underastand

Their lonely frustrations
Decending to laughter

Erases the footprints
I leave in the sand
But I'm free to travel
Where no one can follow
I seach of the kingdom
The don't underatnd.

Lord help me to shoulder
The burden of freedom
And give me the courage
To do what I can

And when I am wounded
By those who condem me
Lord help me forgive them
They don't underatand

K. Kristoferson

301 posted on 09/22/2001 1:05:16 PM PDT by William_Rusher
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