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But the mockers mock, and the hard necked rage that the word of God is foolishness. The 7 years of tribulation has begun, and as prophesied, the blind and sleeping do not see, as in the days of Noah, they mock, rage and do not learn to swim. You never understood that the luxury and peace was by the Grace of God, and now when the Grace is removed, and your covering gone you still do not understand.

This is absolute "garbage prophecy" -- nothing more than "wannabe prophets". Try explaining all this in terms of what the real prophets (in the Bible) have said.

I'm a Christian in the same way as the Apostle Paul has so amply described, as the Gospel -- so this is not coming from an atheist or one who thinks that Paul is not to be listened to, or that God doesn't tells us what He is going to do in the Bible. It's all true.

It's just your "garbage and pop prophecy" that is untrue.

We're definitely not in the Tribulation (although I would agree that we're rapidly coming up on the beginning of it). If we were in the Tribulation, then what event marked the beginning of it? And from that event, then we could count 1,260 days to the coming of the abomination of desolation that Jesus Christ talk about (referring to Daniel, in Matthew), showing himself to be god in the sanctuary (i.e., the Temple in Jerusalem).

And then, from that point, we could count off another 1,260 days to the coming of Christ to establish His Kingdom on this earth. The people in the Tribulation will know exactly what is going on. We're not there, now.

You're just like those people that Paul was warning the Thessalonians about, in that the Day of the Lord had come. No worry there, Paul says, because before that Day, we'll be taken up in a twinkling of an eye and will be with the Lord forever. Then the Tribulation will come.

We're definitely not there yet.

AND, Babylon (what is told in Revelation) is not America. In Jeremiah (as some others have thought referred to America being Bablyon), it's not about America either, but about that specific land that Jeremiah could send someone to (very specifically) and read to them what he wrote. America wasn't around at that time.

Try another line of work -- other than prophecy. You're not doing very good.

We're definitely not in the Tribulation (although I would agree that we're rapidly coming up on the beginning of it). If we were in the Tribulation, then what event marked the beginning of it?

So please show me where it says that there will be a clear indication that the start of the seven years. What is it? And how can the sleeping sleep if the alarm clock goes off? Tell me if you count the 1290 days from the abomination that makes desolation from the front, and it says to be out of Jerusalem by then, why does it say it is a blessing to those who survive to 1335 days or what ever? Is it an error in the bible, or an error in the count direction? If it says Jesus comes back and we meet him in the clouds and the dead rise, do the evil dead go back in their graves for 7 years? Does Jesus actually come three times? Or do we meet him in the air as he comes for the second time and there is no rapture? I take the hint of all the Rabbis in Jerusalem coming to a conscientious that the days of Jacobs troubles have started this spring feast as non co-incidental. The interesting indication that this is year 6001, the radical shift in geo-politics, the peace, peace, but there is no peace…

I once was a pre tribber, and things in life made me lean more to mid trib, Now with a little study, and a lot of listening I lean more to pre-wrath. If the bus comes early I will hop on, but if the bus comes late, are you prepared?