"Do you not realize that the wealth, peace and joy of America was created by the Christians that founded this Great Nation."
Yes.
"Using your ‘freedom’ you forced pornography, homosexuality, and child sacrifice to your god of the self down this nations throat and now when the fruits have become ripe you do not repent of your deeds, but attack the only sane voices out there."
Let me assure you, I have no doubt that America will be judged for all of the sins you mentioned, and more. Its seems clear to me, however, that what happened on 9/11/01 was not an act of God, but an act of despicable evil. I have no doubt that God-fearing, born-again, spirit-filled Christians were killed in the attack that levelled the WTC. Are you suggesting that people such as those were saved - by God - only to eventually pay for the sins of America?
Is this your idea of God's justice as pictured in the New Testament?
Is your idea of justice that a loving and just God would require the blood of those who believe in Him to satisfy His wrath against this nation?
Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?" He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."
Genesis 18:23, 32
God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of just ten righteous men living there, and yet you believe that this same God would kill possibly dozens of His own children to satisfy His wrath against the wickedness of this nation?
"Funny, if this is indeed the end times, who else could Babylon be? Hint for all you "quick to point at the map and laugh types", Ancient Babylon is landlocked. This Babylon of the end days is a port city. But fear not, Babylon has not yet fallen, console your souls with pride and wrath, for your destruction is yet to come."
Look, I don't have the time or patience to engage in apocalyptic eschatalogy right now, but since you allege that the apocalypse has begun ("if this is indeed the end times"), could you please point to the manner in which this passage about "Babylon" (New York City) has been fulfilled?
Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.
This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
Revelation 17: 3-11, 18
"Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes."
Revelation 18: 4-5
The idea that God destroyed the WTC as a sign of His judgement against sin in the fulfillment of Revealtion would be blasphemous were it not so laughable.
The destruction of the World Trade Center in New York was an act of war, not God acting out the apocalypse. As you can see in the Revelation, God will be more thorough in executing judgement than simply tearing down a couple of big buildings. Not only that, but when "Babylon" finally falls, it won't get back up. Last I checked, trade on Wall Street was proceeding - as usual.
People need to stop quoting the Bible out of context, and more importantly, they need to stop viewing all the evil that happens in this world as individual acts of God.
Again, I have no doubt that God will punish all the nations for their wickedness, but I don't believe the destruction of the WTC - as terrible as it was - represents that.
You may disagree with me, but then please show me where I have missed the apocalyptic significance of this event. I could show you where I think it fits in the picture, but I think you should think about it for a while. Start with Matthew 24, specifically verses 6-8. Then ask yourself, was what happened on 9/11/01 an act of war, or the outpouring of God's wrath?
Whether you agree with me or not, God bless you, and may He keep you well in Israel.
And when Israel was destroyed? Were there no believers there? One point is that God did not fly the plane, but God allowed the plane to get there. Think on that again, I repeat "God allowed the plane to get there..." Things have changed, we have been hit.
Babylon has not yet fallen, Babylon has just been struck. It is a warning, and the pullout of Christians will begin soon I will bet. I got experience with this sort of thing you know. God DOES look out for his Children, he also scourges his kids. If you are not used to God giving you a spanking that is your problem, not mine. -grin-
Tell me, did Sodom condone Homosexuality? How many kids were sacrificed to Moloch before God destroyed Israel? I bet it does not add up to the 45,000,000 we have sacrificed for our FREEDOM of choice. God does not like false Gods, or child sacrifice. Why are we exempt? Did God change? Do you remember the arguments of the Jews in Israelis last days? "Surely God would not destroy His Chosen people..." The blood of the saints, well, just wait a bit, coming to a theater near you.
Both. Why should they be mutualy exclusive. God always has used other nations to scourge his people in the past, why change now?
Blessings to you too. BTW, it is a very crazy night in Jerusalem, Jets, helocoptors, sirens. Pray for Peace in Jerusalem...