The Towers have Fallen and We Missed the Message

Koenig's International News ^ | 9-19-01 | Pastor David Wilkerson

[Stingray]

See post 200.

'Nuff said.

[2sheep]

Excellent post, American in Israel!  We agree with you and David Wilkerson.  The watchmen watch and warn, the prophets prophesy in truth that if this nation does not repent, surely worse is to come, much worse.  Yet we see people mock and scorn and are lifted up in pride and harden their necks.  David preached,

[The Lord] said, it’s because of your pride and your cry of greatness.  In your troubled times and in your grief you didn’t turn to me with all your heart.  You didn’t come against your sins but you turned to your own strength and you turned because you were wounded in pride.  Your pride rose up.

So many have said so much.  What more can be said?

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For those who care to LISTEN or download the sermon above, here are the links.  The prayer at the end was edited out of the sermon at the top of this thread.  It is significant and is in the windows streaming audio below.  This is a powerful sermon and true word:

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Real Audio:  http://www.timessquarechurch.org/media/010916-1-a.ram

Windows streaming audio:  http://www.timeforrenewal.com/wmedia/010916-1.asf

If the Real Audio is busy:  http://www.timessquarechurch.org/media/010916-1-b.ram

[Don Joe]

"do resist personal attacks . Your commentis are inanee, banal, boring, unclever, juvenile, and irrelivant."

Thank you for that marvelously self-defining moment of utter hypocrisy. LOL!

[tutstar]

Why?

[American in Israel]

God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of just ten righteous men living there, and yet you believe that this same God would kill possibly dozens of His own children to satisfy His wrath against the wickedness of this nation?

And when Israel was destroyed? Were there no believers there? One point is that God did not fly the plane, but God allowed the plane to get there. Think on that again, I repeat "God allowed the plane to get there..." Things have changed, we have been hit.

Babylon has not yet fallen, Babylon has just been struck. It is a warning, and the pullout of Christians will begin soon I will bet. I got experience with this sort of thing you know. God DOES look out for his Children, he also scourges his kids. If you are not used to God giving you a spanking that is your problem, not mine. -grin-

Tell me, did Sodom condone Homosexuality? How many kids were sacrificed to Moloch before God destroyed Israel? I bet it does not add up to the 45,000,000 we have sacrificed for our FREEDOM of choice. God does not like false Gods, or child sacrifice. Why are we exempt? Did God change? Do you remember the arguments of the Jews in Israelis last days? "Surely God would not destroy His Chosen people..." The blood of the saints, well, just wait a bit, coming to a theater near you.

[American in Israel]

--The more I read of this stuff, the more difficult it is for me not to take a whip to anyone who calls themself reverand or pastor or whatever.

That's just a measure of how far we are as a nation from understanding Christianity.

Or a measure of how far we as a nation have fallen from Christianity.

[American in Israel]

Then ask yourself, was what happened on 9/11/01 an act of war, or the outpouring of God's wrath?

Both. Why should they be mutualy exclusive. God always has used other nations to scourge his people in the past, why change now?

Blessings to you too. BTW, it is a very crazy night in Jerusalem, Jets, helocoptors, sirens. Pray for Peace in Jerusalem...

[Star Traveler]

But the mockers mock, and the hard necked rage that the word of God is foolishness. The 7 years of tribulation has begun, and as prophesied, the blind and sleeping do not see, as in the days of Noah, they mock, rage and do not learn to swim. You never understood that the luxury and peace was by the Grace of God, and now when the Grace is removed, and your covering gone you still do not understand.

This is absolute "garbage prophecy" -- nothing more than "wannabe prophets". Try explaining all this in terms of what the real prophets (in the Bible) have said.

I'm a Christian in the same way as the Apostle Paul has so amply described, as the Gospel -- so this is not coming from an atheist or one who thinks that Paul is not to be listened to, or that God doesn't tells us what He is going to do in the Bible. It's all true.

It's just your "garbage and pop prophecy" that is untrue.

We're definitely not in the Tribulation (although I would agree that we're rapidly coming up on the beginning of it). If we were in the Tribulation, then what event marked the beginning of it? And from that event, then we could count 1,260 days to the coming of the abomination of desolation that Jesus Christ talk about (referring to Daniel, in Matthew), showing himself to be god in the sanctuary (i.e., the Temple in Jerusalem).

And then, from that point, we could count off another 1,260 days to the coming of Christ to establish His Kingdom on this earth. The people in the Tribulation will know exactly what is going on. We're not there, now.

You're just like those people that Paul was warning the Thessalonians about, in that the Day of the Lord had come. No worry there, Paul says, because before that Day, we'll be taken up in a twinkling of an eye and will be with the Lord forever. Then the Tribulation will come.

We're definitely not there yet.

AND, Babylon (what is told in Revelation) is not America. In Jeremiah (as some others have thought referred to America being Bablyon), it's not about America either, but about that specific land that Jeremiah could send someone to (very specifically) and read to them what he wrote. America wasn't around at that time.

Try another line of work -- other than prophecy. You're not doing very good.

[Junior]

More apocolyptic mumbo jumbo.

[streetpreacher]

Nowhere in this message has David alluded to anything dispensational in theology or having to do with end-times madness. He is simply applying Biblical principles that are true of all nations and ages.

Instead of looking through prejudiced theological glasses, go back and read the message with an open heart. I don't care what theological camp you're in, a true servant of Jesus should be able to see this as a message from God.

I have to believe the theological excuse making is just a front because many don't want to receive this word of correction. Judgment has begun, but it begins in the house of God... where it is so desperately needed.

[streetpreacher]

Sodom, Greece, Rome, Russia? Do we think we're any better?? Do you have to be a dispensationalist to recognize that (and I'm not)?

Anybody that would argue with this is a hardened sinner or a false convert, and idolater... a believer in a "bless me, bless me" goody god...

The God of the Bible kills people... it says He is angry with the wicked every day. It says the wrath of God abides on the one who rejects Him... that righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. God, have mercy.

[streetpreacher]

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Listen to Wilkerson's message online. He is weeping, not gloating.

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[streetpreacher]

It's chugging beer, not jugging. I'll be chugging beer at the Packer/Redskin game this Monday nite, God willing. I am not going to change any part of what brings me joy no matter what. I am going to live free or die, there is no in between. Please don't tell me that a moment of silence is all I'll give to the remembrance of the events of this past 10 days. You (or I should say the author) is attempting to judge me as a moron, but God already has judged me as His child. Whether I get to stay here in this body or not is also His decision. I'll accept either way. If I run into any trouble on the airplane on the way out, I hope I have the courage to help bring them down.

Dan

Dan, you're god can't judge you, because you're god doesn't exist... he's a figment of your imagination.

You've created a false image of a god (the mind is the place of imagery).

You've made a god to suit your sins.

It's called idolatry and it's the oldest sin in the book.

The Bible is clear, "Idolaters will not have a place in the kingdom of heaven."

[streetpreacher]

Babylon is not a specific place, it's a spirit. That's why in the Bible, sometimes Israel, Rome, others are called Babylon. That's why America can also fit this description.

[Balding_Eagle]

"I don't care what theological camp you're in, a true servant of Jesus should be able to see this as a message from God."

I'm in the camp that knows when someone uses 6200 words to explain something that even a child should understand there is something wrong with the messenger.