Here may be our problem with Islam

The Koran #47 - Muhammad ^ | 600+ AD | Muhammad

[XBob]

17 - I concur

[kinsman redeemer]

Gen 16:10-12 And the angel of the LORD said unto her [Hagar], I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. {Ishmael: that is, God shall hear} And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. {that is, he will be against his half-brother, Isaac}

Gen 17:19-22 And God said [to Abraham], Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

It's in writing from God.

[woollyone]

Mohammed was educated by private Jewish and Christian turors when he was a boy. His desire was to unite the Arab world in religious unity, as he saw how that unity benefited the Jews and Christians. His original intent was to create a sect of Jewdiasm, but the Jews flatly rejected his views as heresy.

He decided that the Arabs needed one god to worship, because they were worshipping about 100,00 different gods at the time. From the plethora of idols worshipped, he chose Allah, the moon-god.

The koran was not compiled by him, but by his followers. Whenever he would speak, a stenographer would record his speaches and the transcripts would be saved in a basket...the older speaches on the bottom. Later, it was decided to complie all of the transcripts into one text. Since the most recent writings were on top, they were recorded first, all the way to the oldest. Today, when reading the koran, the oldest of his sayings are at the back and the newest, at the front. You'll notice that the newest are the most vicious and restrictive, because as his following grew, so did his rejection and hence, we see his anger against those that don't hold his views.

He is as he was. A heretic.

oops...how insensitive of me.

baa

[woollyone]

oops.
"Jewdiasm" s/b "Judiasm". Sorry.

[AppyPappy]

Where do ya'll get this "moon god" garbage? Allah is the God of the Jews and Christians. The Koran attributes Allah as the God Of Abraham.

Moon-god. Sheesh. And I thought the Mormans had it rough.

[woollyone]

Pappy,
Respectfully, Allah is the moon-god & according to the founding of Mohammed, he declared allah to be the god of Abraham...which doesn't necessarily make it truth, rather just the man's declaration. Of course he twisted much of the Biblical record. For instance, he declared that it was Ishmael that Abraham was told to sacrafice, not Isaac. Just like much of the lies of the pit, just enough truth to make the lie believable.

please, do look it up for yourself.

baa

[XBob]

good points Manny - maybe you can get some sense into donh's head.

[XBob]

To: XBob So, if you wish to "eat as the beasts eat, and the fire is their abode. ", do nothing to disturb them, and take no action. These people are serious, and seriously deranged. In our bible, it says, "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"--are we therefore sufficiently deranged that LA should be occupied by Allah's forces until we come to our senses? This is holy war rhetoric, not a rational argument for adventurous foreign wars against non-aggressors. This is a bad, bad idea which has been given little rational thought and with potentially devastating repercussions from any angle you look at it.

337 Posted on 09/19/2001 23:31:30 PDT by donh

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Christianity has it's share of nuts too, and in western society, including you -

""--are we therefore sufficiently deranged that LA should be occupied by Allah's forces until we come to our senses? "

This is exactly what you have been arguing for.

As I said before, you are nuts.

[rebelsoldier]

My problem is with being told not to consider religion as an operative factor in all of this, while at the same time being told Moslems should be allowed special dispensation because of their faith and regarded on behalf of it. Those who expect this are hypocritical and misguided. It can't be both ways and be credible. Since Islamic militant extremists are calling this a "holy" war, it is reasonable to presume THEY consider religion an operative, if not primary factor, and thus they have necessitated a discussion of their beliefs and its relevance. Finally, when one identifies and refers to himself by his religion, operating on that basis is unavoidable.

[Ann Archy]

Don't they believe he went to heaven on his horse??? That says it all.

[alaskanfan]

I know I'll get flamed for this but he kind of sounds like the joe smith of the camel jockey world.

[XBob]

33 - I agree: "My problem is with being told not to consider religion as an operative factor in all of this, while at the same time being told Moslems should be allowed special dispensation because of their faith and regarded on behalf of it. Those who expect this are hypocritical and misguided. "

Very few of those who cite the Koran as being peacful, know nothing about it's origin, or have ever read it. I started reading it years ago, to give me an idea of the culture of where I was living (Egypt at the time). It has a lot of good stuff in it. But it also has a lot of bad and intolerant stuff in it, a small bit of which I quoted above.

[donh]

This is exactly what you have been arguing for.

Oh? How so?

As I said before, you are nuts.

Yes, you say it frequently, often after issuing a bon mot like this one, or your previous prizewinner: "there were more German spies in Switzerland, than there were Swiss", which I also can't figure out, either on it's own, or what its point is in the discussion.

[XBob]

Who says we are going to Afghanistan?

Give me a break. The government has been pumping Ben Laden into the ears of our whorish newspeople from day one of the attack. Do you seriously think any significant news arises from reporters doing investigative work? It's not a deep, dark secret that we have been preping for Afganistan for about 6 months now. Foreign diplomats have been briefed on this subject, and reported so to the news media.

340 Posted on 09/20/2001 00:01:48 PDT by donh

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interesting, you admit you aren't any smarter than those in our dumbest profession, the major media.

[XBob]

you can't figure it out? " This is exactly what you have been arguing for. Oh? How so? "

dumber than our dumbest profession, read your own posts.