Here may be our problem with Islam

The Koran #47 - Muhammad ^ | 600+ AD | Muhammad

[x]

Just off the top of my tired head: Christianity is faith-based, individualistic and universalistic. Judaism puts more emphasis on practices and laws, and is community-based and not universalistic. Islam is practice and ritual centered, community-based and universalistic. The eastern religions adhere to a very different way of thinking than the Western monotheisms, though one could draw vague or loose parallels between Buddhism and Christianity or Hinduism and Judaism if one really wanted to. Judaism's influence over the secular world is limited by its emphasis on one particular people, Christianity by its growing emphasis on the individual and his conscience, Hinduism by its many gods and cults and emphasis on the god within, Buddhism by it's essential unwordliness or other worldliness. Islam's power over society doesn't face these limitations.

Also, the Koran was written in one life time and reflects one particular set of circumstances: the establishment of a new religion in bitter competition and contestation. The Hebrew Bible, and to some degree the Christian gospels and epistles and the writings of Eastern religions that we take to be canonical evolved over longer periods of time and reflect different circumstances.

There is an interesting article in Saturday's Times: The World is Paying For the Failure of a Dream. According to the author, Michael Binyon, Islam was quite self-confident until the rise of Mongols and Turks and then of the West, which threw them back upon themselves and eventually led some into deep bitterness. A dominant, self-confident religion may find it easier to adapt to "modernity" than one that is forever conscious of being thought backward or inferior.

Sorry if I've insulted anyone's or everyone's religion. I can't claim to speak with any authority on any of this.

[XBob]

slavery was common in those days, and in the bible, and in the days of Jesus, and was accepted. Remember the story of Ben Hur who became a galley slave.

[steelie]

We will soon know by the alliances that are formed in the next FEW days

Let us keep clear heads. And as I say to my children every day, "PAY ATTENTION">

[marxwas a loser]

Ya know XBob. The difference between Islam and Christianity is Jesus and that's all the difference in the world.

Jesus lifted women to a high position and cared for them. In Islam women are less than dirt, they are chattle.

Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons, fed the multitudes, preached the Word of GOD, raised the dead. The works of the followers of Christ are missions, hospitals(St. Lukes for example, Red Cross), orphanages, charity, ending injustices (William Carey in India ending setee, William Wilburforce ending slavery in Great Britain, Dr. Peter Hammond in Sudan fighting modern islamic slavery and murder)

Islam converts by the sword, terrorizes infidels (Christians, Jews, Buddhist[Taliban destroying buddist statue], etc...), robs, pillages, enslaves and then says they are peaceful.

My point is that not that Christ needs a defense (the sinless dying for the sinner) but that it is a cheap shot to try and lower the Lord Jesus Christ to the level of islam.

Ye shall know them by their works and followers of Jesus Christ did not slam into the side of the WTC.

[marxwas a loser]

Allah - the Moon God

The Archeology of The Middle East

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

LINK TO THE REST OF THE ARTICLE......

The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel. moongod.htm

[XBob]

"Ye shall know them by their works and followers of Jesus Christ did not slam into the side of the WTC."

No, they just invented the KKK, performed a lot of lynchings, implemented slavery of indians and blacks, poured gold down the throats of the indians to 'convert' them, blew up a lot of catholics/protestants in Ireland, napalmed 100,000 on the road of death in Iraq, bombed the hell out of Serbia for an oil pipeline, went to the mid-east and fought the 'holy' wars of the crusades. Little things like that.

[XBob]

coming from one who thinks Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, raised the dead, was conceived by god in a virgin, fed 5000 with a few loaves and fishes, why should the moon god give you a problem?

[FReethesheeples]

Bump.

[marxwas a loser]

No, they just invented the KKK,

NOT TRUE.

performed a lot of lynchings, implemented slavery of indians and blacks,

You don't know what you are talking about, prove it!

poured gold down the throats of the indians to 'convert' them,

Give reference, lol!

blew up a lot of catholics/protestants in Ireland,

Christians did that, huh?

napalmed 100,000 on the road of death in Iraq,

Sounds like some fantasy history to me!

bombed the hell out of Serbia for an oil pipeline,

Cristians, huh?

went to the mid-east and fought the 'holy' wars of the crusades.

The world was predominatly Catholic and the people who went on the "crusades" were driving Moslems out of the Holy Land. I have no problem with that!

Little things like that.

Well, clearly you are here with a pro-islam agenda. I clearly am not.

I have just one question for you, are you posting directly from Bahgdad?

BTW...if you are even interested a "CHRISTIAN" is someone who trust Jesus Christ for their personal salvation of their soul by believing that his death on the cross was an atoning death for their personal sin. That he was buried and rose BODILY from the dead on the third day. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

[marxwas a loser]

coming from one who thinks Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, raised the dead, was conceived by god in a virgin, fed 5000 with a few loaves and fishes, why should the moon god give you a problem?

SO, you admit Allah is a pagan diety?

FYI, Jesus did do those things!

[XBob]

133 - Wow, ignorant one - such a litany of purposeful ignorance and stupidty is hard to match, and not worth repeating at all. You have really demonstrated where you come from.

As far as "Well, clearly you are here with a pro-islam agenda. I clearly am not. I have just one question for you, are you posting directly from Bahgdad?", why don't you read who posted this thread to begin with.

[XBob]

134 - FYI, Jesus did do those things! ' 133 - "That he was buried and rose BODILY from the dead on the third day. ", sorry, I didn't put that one in, but if you insist.

"SO, you admit Allah is a pagan diety? " - Why not, that's the god you believe in, so, what difference does it make to me.

As has been repeated so many times for the ignorant like you - Jews, Christians, and Moslems all believe in the same god - except that no messiah has come yet for JEHOVA, christ was the messiah for the christian's GOD, and Mohammed was the PROPHET for islam's ALLAH, all one and the same GOD.

[donh]

What is this inordinate interest you have in heroin???

The Taliban is widely acknowledged to be the biggest heroin pushers in the world. It undoubtedly funded much of this attack, just as it has funded much of the 20th centuries' government's unfunded covert ops. Is that a good enough reason?

[EverOnward]

Thank you for your research and post.

Bookmarked.

[donh]

Please tell this to President Mubarak, and see what he says, the moderate moslem that these very same people tried to kill three times when I was in Egypt, with bombs and bullets.

You are refuting a position I do not hold. My point is that the likely result of the inadequatly thought-through injection of force in in the Middle East in response to the attack on the twin towers, would be the blurring of this distinction, both in american perception, and Middle Eastern responses. Just as the bombers probably intended.