Posted on 09/18/2001 6:41:29 AM PDT by Pokey78
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
As the twin towers of the World Trade Center came down in flames, taking 5,000 Americans with them, an unserious era in U.S. history came to an end. "All is changed, changed utterly," wrote poet W.B. Yeats. President Bush has now received full authority to wage war against all who abetted the slaughter. It must be done. Our American family cannot permit the mass murder of our brothers and sisters to go unpunished. But as the president directs the moral outrage of his wounded nation, he will need the wisdom of Solomon.
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"Drivel"? I think not. Didn't Pat say publically that all US troops should be brought home from foreign countries,and that the US military only be used as a self-defense force that could be called up (reserves) if America were invaded? He even made references to this was the intentions of our founding fathers. No standing military other than the Navy,as it is un-Constitutional. Yes,he DID say these things,although he never did say what he thought about the Air Force,since it isn't mentioned in the Constitution.
GEORGE WASHINGTON'S FAREWELL ADDRESS
Pertinent passages start at 32. Here's a sample:
The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The Nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the Government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The Government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of Nations has been the victim.
The same people who are critizing people on this board for calling attention to an arrogant and bullying U.S. foreign policy that may have contributed to last week's terrorist act are the same ones who have their lips permanently affixed to the rear end of the Republican party. In their minds, freedom and liberty take a backseat to partisan party politics.
Those who call attention to this country's interventionist foreign policy are branded as "traitors" and "turncoats." The my-country-right-or-wrong patriots don't want to be bothered with why terrorists attacked us last week attack. All they want is revenge, not just against the perpetrators of this attack, but against against all Muslims. The mindless calls for massive retaliatory strikes (and the use of nuclear weapons), which will result in the deaths of hundreds or even thousands of innocent civilians, will merely inflame the hatred of Muslims and create a new wave of terrorism. Buchanan is right on target in his criticism of this country's interventionist foreign policy, calling it the "incubator of terrorism." Why is that so difficult for some people to understand?
Thanks, Nephi, for bringing a tad of reason to this forum. And thanks for posting the excellent article by Pat Buchanan. Whatever one thinks of Mr. Buchanan, no one can dispute the fact that he has been out front warning of the dire consequences of this country's meddling -- and often murderous -- foreign policy, which has made enemies of the United States around the world. Is anyone listening?
All the bombing has done over the last 10 years is waste American taxpayer money.
Nothing about the innocent "collateral damage"? Oh I forgot, for your type the only kind of life that counts is American life. You think hitting the other side relentlessly for years would not eventually result in that side striking back?
We don't, as the U.S.-brokered agreements on Palestinian "autonomy" indicate. However, as the sole pluralistic democracy existing in this region, Israel's continued survival is in our interests, particularly as its standard of living and GDP (compared to its Third World neighbors) show the benefits of market economies and democracy.
After he used up all the abortionists money, sure.
The "free traitors" are comfortable living the lie that trade is free. Whenever some truth is injected into their fantasy, their response is more instinctive than intellectual, sort of like a dog's reaction to its bone being taken away.
You know you are witnessing one of these primal human spectacles when truth evokes nothing but howls, growls, and childish innuendo and the primitives show clear signs of wanting to destroying anyone who might even think of walking too close to the bone.
As subsidized and propped up by $91 Billion U.S. taxdollars. (Source)
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong,but isn't this the same thing I said,and you want to argue with me by saying the same thing?
>>Could we be the target because, we attack them, and talk of Democratizing them, when they are quite happy with being ruled by dictators, kings or shahs.<<
No. Well,the last part about them being happy being ruled by kings or other dictators seems to be right,but the rest of it is based on false premises.
>>Could we be a target because we have an arrogance of position, we aren't exactly quiet about our successes, or humble about our blessings.<<
Ahhh,the old "It our fault because we are successful",excuse! It's also known as the "I robbed him because I didn't have any money,and that SOB had too much",and the "I'm poor but tax that SOB who gets paid 1 more dollar a week than me! He doesn't deserve to be paid that much,and needs to be taxed out of it to correct this inequity!" defenses. Been a while since I've seen them.
>>I gave you several choices, now why is yours correct. If yours is correct, why, and why is Pats, or anyone elses incorrect.<<
If you can't understand this already there is no way it can be taught to you. It would be like trying to teach a legless man to tapdance,or a blind man to paint.
>> We can't hear all points of view, if a person is ridiculed for differing from the mainstream of thought,<<
Jeffery Dahmers dietry practices were out of the mainstream of thought too,yet you don't see a lot of people defending them.
>> Are you sure you aren't being led around by the nose, by say Rush?,<<
ROFLMAO! I think Rush is a pompous ass,and have stated so on FR before. Besides,the only radio I ever listen to is classical rock and blues.
>>or maybe you are just part of the crowd of lemmings, that once pushed in a certain direction, will continue until you are required to jump off the cliff.<<
Oh,YEAH! That's me! I'm just a "follow the leader" type of guy who is scared to express his own opinions. LOL!
>>If we as a nation, think we can blow away our enemies with sheer power,<<
Well,yeah,we can. In this case we don't have any other option. They attacked with sheer power,and we have no choice other than to respond in kind.
>> There must be a rational, reasoned approach to a solution, and it will require much thought, not blind followers. That is for the Taliban, not America.<<
Correct me if I'm wrong,but don't BOTH sides have to be rational and reasoned for discussion to have any chance of providing peace? Even you admit in the quoted paragraph that the Taliban and other radicals don't have these qualities.
BTW,when I say we need to use power in respone to the attacks,I do NOT mean we should use nukes on them or anyone else in a "first strike". I am 100% oppossed to attacking a innocent civilian population to take out the guilty parties.
Do you not realize that you are describing a European colony, and that the establishment of such a colony in 1948 was NOT necessarily a good idea? On the other hand, that was then and now is now. How do we deal with True Believers who think that Israel is a stick in the eye and many ordinary Palestinians who think they have had a raw deal? We are between a rock and a hard place. We cannot abandon Israel but must suffer the consequences of doing so.
Well, was the money spent worth it? You're doing the old rope a dope, but point by point you can be brought around.
That would be considered a surprisingly ignorant remark even from some poor demented fool who insisted on conveniently distilling all events in life down to some monetary transaction.
No government is perfect, ours is far from it. But blaming America just shows how deeply you and others like you have been duped.
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