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Local Teens Shrug Off Terror (Lee's District...apples not far from tree)
Alemeda Times Star ^ | September 16, 2001 | Paul T. Rosynsky and Jane Rochmes

Posted on 09/17/2001 3:16:15 PM PDT by watsonfellow

Local teens shrug off terror attacks

Many say they feel little loyalty as they can't rely on government

By Paul T. Rosynsky and Jane Rochmes STAFF WRITER

OAKLAND -- While much of America is uniting to fight the evils of terrorism, many East Bay high school students said Friday a war is not theirs to wage.

As hundreds gathered on the steps of City Hall Friday to remember those lost Tuesday during the dev astating terrorist attacks in New York City and the Pentagon, high school students came together in stead to talk of weekend plans and the latest gossip.

The wave of patriotism across the country hasn't reached many area teen-agers who questioned Friday the need to retaliate and vowed not to fight if called upon for duty.

With the terrorist attacks occur ring more than 3,000 miles away, teen-agers had trouble making a connection to the tragedies and a harder time finding a reason to care.

"It didn't happen in Oakland, it could have but it didn't, so I don't feel scared or nothing," said Hieu Le, 15, a student at Castlemont High School. "Why should I go fight in a war and die for nothing."

Similar feelings were echoed throughout the blacktop courtyard of McClymonds High School and corridors of Berkeley High.

Although many said they felt sym pathy for the victims and those who had lost loved ones, when it came to risking their own lives to fight for America, most said they would try to find a way out.

"I'm not risking my life for that, I love myself too much," said Amir Kellogg, 17, as he sat with friends during lunch. "If they came after me I would have to run."

Their lack of desire to defend freedom comes, they explained, from a lack of confidence in the government to help their own communities. Many blamed the U.S. relationship with the world as reasons for the attacks and said they don't want to help because they have not received help in the past.

"How are you going to defend a nation if that nation can't defend against things like homelessness," asked Jamaal Germaine, 15, a sophomore at McClymonds High School. "I'm not in a rush to help our country because our country is already messed up."

Students instead said any war waged by the country against ter rorist states of the world would only worsen the situation, setting off an infinite series of retalia tions.

"I think the United States deserves it," said Berkeley High senior Pat rick Rizzo. "It's pretty sad for the poor people, but the United States does the same thing. We're prob ably going to do the same thing after this. We're not going to send anybody into the country, we're just going to bomb them like they did us."

Added senior Phillip Chan: "I don't think that going and attacking a specific country is going to solve anything."

And with the only exposure to war coming through television high lights of the Persian Gulf War, teen-agers said they see no need to risk human life when the country can instead depend on technology to fight evil.

"If there is a war, it won't be a war like we're used to in the past," said Antwonn Smith, 17. "We got too many missiles to use. We're not even going to have to send people out there."

Jane Senemen is news editor of the Berkeley High School Yellow Jacket.


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To: jothamdorn
I think I was trying to explain (to myself, at least) why I feel that the fate of this country is my personal responsibility and why I think, under certain conditions, it may be best for me to show it some "tough love" by walking away from it. Not that anyone else in this country, or this forum, cares what one more nobody thinks about any of this.
181 posted on 09/17/2001 8:16:18 PM PDT by jothamdorn
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To: jothamdorn
I could see what you meant...I just like teasing guys sometimes, actually you sound like dear uncle.
182 posted on 09/17/2001 8:21:01 PM PDT by Rebeckie
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To: Rebeckie
I apologize again for the lack of logic in my posts. You are very kind. I've been loosing sleep over this thing and it may have driven me a little around the bend. In 20 years everyone in America will be a "minority". I think that's good. I am sick of hearing about American culture and how the pollution of American culture is responsible for Tuesday. If we still enjoyed the american culture of Revolutionary times we would start the day with a pint of hard cider and loose all of our teeth before we turned forty.
183 posted on 09/17/2001 8:35:55 PM PDT by jothamdorn
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To: Paul Atreides
remember andy griffith in 'no time for sergeants'?

'BEN, I'M THE P.L.O.'! (permanent latrine orderly)

184 posted on 09/18/2001 1:34:55 AM PDT by rockfish59
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To: Travis McGee
Wait until they are drafted and sent to the Egyptian Front, or the house to house Battle Of Bagdad.

I wonder which side they will fight for. It should be clear to most people on the planet that this will be a war in which neutrality will be impossible.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

185 posted on 09/18/2001 5:09:00 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: jothamdorn
I will go to prison before I support any more totalitarian enactments and I will leave before I go to prison.

Your animus toward your country is noted. Do as you wish. Be sure to take your 'family honor' with you.

186 posted on 09/18/2001 7:08:22 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott
And many people on this forum like to accuse new immigrants of being ungrateful and unpatriotic.
187 posted on 09/18/2001 9:54:01 AM PDT by Rebeckie
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To: watsonfellow
Some people just have to learn from their own experience, I guess. I wonder if they'd be that cool about it if the people who did last week's attacks had picked the Transamerica Pyramid,or the BofA Building, or downtown Oakland.

Wonderful poem, by the way. Some of my fraternity brothers took up both and are in the services now. One of them is an Air Force officer assigned to the Pentagon, and was working there Tuesday (away from the crash area, thankfully, and he's now back at work).

188 posted on 09/18/2001 10:06:20 AM PDT by RichInOC
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To: billbears
You posted, "Or shoot, let them exchange places with those poor immigrants that come over hidden in boats from China. I can't believe Chinese men and women, risking their lives and some their life's savings, would ever want to leave such a state as China where the government takes care of one so well< /sarcasm>"

Absolutely, I have had this recurring dream of loading up these boats that bring these poor Chinese people over with the commie loving left wingers like these teenage clymers and their parents. Then sending them back to China! On the East Coast send them all to Fidel!

189 posted on 09/18/2001 11:31:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Rebeckie
"In all honesty, I think that the Midwest is one of the best places to raise one's kids".

How would you know? Have you also raised kids in the South? Have you raised kids in the Northeast? The East?. Have you also raised kids in the Southwest? The Northwest?

I light of what has occured recently, we are all Americans, so in all honesty to you beckie, I think America is one of the best places to raise one's kids.

190 posted on 09/18/2001 1:32:11 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Thanks for your input...I agree with you, I have never and would never say that America is not the best place to raise one's kids, because it is. I just love where I live that's all and judging from your response, you do too.
191 posted on 09/18/2001 3:01:49 PM PDT by Rebeckie
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To: watsonfellow
Military School Publik Skool
"You're either with us or against us."
     — Shawn Dillon, 19, Tennessee.
"It didn't happen in Oakland, it could have but it didn't, so I don't feel scared or nothing," said Hieu Le, 15, a student at Castlemont High School. "Why should I go fight in a war and die for nothing."
"We must assert ourselves."
     — Allison Jaslow, 19, Virginia.
"I'm not risking my life for that, I love myself too much," said Amir Kellogg, 17, as he sat with friends during lunch. "If they came after me I would have to run."
"I'm not afraid to die."
     — Dustin Berry, 19, Missouri.
"How are you going to defend a nation if that nation can't defend against things like homelessness," asked Jamaal Germaine, 15, a sophomore at McClymonds High School. "I'm not in a rush to help our country because our country is already messed up."
"I'd go now, no hesitation."
     — Daniel Jemott, 19, Kansas.
"I think the United States deserves it," said Berkeley High senior Pat rick Rizzo. "It's pretty sad for the poor people, but the United States does the same thing. We're prob ably going to do the same thing after this. We're not going to send anybody into the country, we're just going to bomb them like they did us."

192 posted on 10/01/2001 1:38:54 AM PDT by TexRef
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To: watsonfellow
What a bunch of ignorant fools. I am not surprised this sorry bunch of teens are from oakland.
193 posted on 10/01/2001 1:46:03 AM PDT by dougherty
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