Posted on 09/17/2001 12:48:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
WHY DOES GOD ALLOW EVIL?
Pastor Rick Warren
Saddleback Church, Lake Forest, CA.
Tuesdays horrific mass murder of innocent Americans leaves all rational people shocked, angry, grief-stricken, and numb. Our tears flow freely and our hearts carry a deep ache. How could this happen in our nation?
As mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends, neighbors, and co-workers begin to share their stories of the horror, this tragedy will be become even more personal. As this tragedy becomes more personal, it will become more painful and as our pain deepens, so will the questions. Why does God allow evil to happen? If God is so great, and so good, why does he allow human beings to hurt each other?
The answer lies in both our greatest blessing and our worst curse: our capacity to make choices. God has given us a free will. Made in Gods image, he has given us the freedom to decide how we will act and the ability to make moral choices. This is one asset that sets us apart from animals, but it also is the source of so much pain in our world. People, and that includes all of us, often make selfish, self-centered, and evil choices. Whenever that happens, people get hurt. Sin is ultimately selfishness. I want to do what I want, not what God tells me to do. Unfortunately, sin always hurts others, not just ourselves.
God could have eliminated all evil from our world by simply removing our ability to choose it. He could have made us puppets, or marionettes on strings that he pulls. By taking away our ability to choose it , evil would vanish. But God doesnt want us to be puppets. He wants to be loved and obeyed by creatures who voluntarily choose to do so. Love is not genuine if there is no other option.
Yes, God could have kept the terrorist from completing their suicidal missions by removing their ability to choose their own will instead of his. But to be fair, God would also have to do that to all of us. You and I are not terrorists, but we do harm and hurt others with our own selfish decisions and actions.
You may hear misguided minds say This must have been Gods will. Nonsense! In a world of free choices, Gods will is rarely done! Doing our own will is much more common. Dont blame God for this tragedy. Blame people who ignored what God has told us to do: Love your neighbor as yourself.
In heaven, Gods will is done perfectly. Thats why there is no sorrow, pain, or evil there. But this is earth, a fallen, imperfect place. We must choose to do Gods will everyday. It isnt automatic. This is why Jesus told us to pray Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.
The Bible explains the root of evil: This is the crisis we're in: Gods light streamed into the world, but men and women everywhere ran for the darkness...because they were not really interested in pleasing God. ( John 3:19 Message Translation) Were far more interested in pleasing ourselves.
There are many other questions that race through our minds during dark days. But the answers will not come from pollsters, pundits, or politicians. We must look to God and his Word. We must humble ourselves and admit that each of us often choose to ignore what God wants us to do.
No doubt this weekend houses of worship across America will be packed.
In a crisis we cry out for a connection with our Creator. This is a deep-seated, universal urge. The first words uttered by millions on Tuesday were Oh God! We were made for a relationship with God but he waits for us to choose him. He is ready to comfort, guide, and direct us through our grief. My prayer is that you will attend a house of worship this weekend and reconnect with God. But its your choice.
Dr. Rick Warren is founding pastor of Americas second largest congregation, Saddleback Church, in Lake Forest, CA.
That's good Reformed language!
Actually, it is even correct to say that man has true free will if we correctly define free will. The problem is, the average person thinks that a sinner's free will includes what has been called "the power of contrary choice."
The will, by definition, does not include the power of contrary choice. The will is the "choice faculty" of the soul, not some "contrary choice faculty."
Since this kind of discussion ordinarily confuses dull sinners, Luther and the other Reformers were correct to argue that fallen man's will is by no means free to do what thoughtless folks assume for it. Luther said that the will is necessarily bound in the chains of the sinner's evil, fallen nature.
(That agrees perfectly with Scripture.)
So, "free will" language wound up being replaced in the Reformation with "free-agency" language.
That's good Reformed language!
Actually, it is even correct to say that man has true free will if we correctly define free will. The problem is, the average person thinks that a sinner's free will includes what has been called "the power of contrary choice."
The will, by definition, does not include the power of contrary choice. The will is the "choice faculty" of the soul, not some "contrary choice faculty."
Since this kind of discussion ordinarily confuses dull sinners, Luther and the other Reformers were correct to argue that fallen man's will is by no means free to do what thoughtless folks assume for it. Luther said that the will is necessarily bound in the chains of the sinner's evil, fallen nature.
(That agrees perfectly with Scripture.)
So, "free will" language wound up being replaced in the Reformation with "free-agency" language.
Do you pray for God to intervene in some situations or events?
I thought it strange that pastor would talk about certain Heretical beliefs, but my wife pointed it out to me that he was talking about certain things to us. The point being that the True church is far too tolerant of such spiritual garbage. I didn't think it was very controversial until later at lunch with a few members it came up that some were offended that he said some things especially about Mary. Of course, had they not been instantly offended, they would have realized that he was not denying what is in scripture, but was addressing certain garbage passed as faith.
I understand your point, however since I'm no theologian I can offer no more helpful insight. Maybe it has do do with the "end" of a relationship, but again I don't know. Anyway have a Happy New Year.
I'll address your points in reverse order:
Going to church isn't a get into heaven free pass. You are correct. The Bible speaks plainly that the churches are full of chaff, people who think they are saved but aren't. The Bible also says that the churches have tares, people who are sown into the churches by Satan.
And you don't have to go to church to believe in God. James 2:19 Even the demons believe--and tremble! But all the saints will eventually have a taste to gather with other saints to glory in the Lord.
But you are deadly and eternally wrong to think that there is any possibility that you will confess all your sins and ask for repentence. First of all, you cannot possibly remember them all and the Bible is clear that a single sin is enough. And repentence is what God commands of you, not something that you ask of Him. Secondly, it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation (Hebrews 9:27). It will be too late for you to confess your sins after you have died. Your judgment will have come upon you and unless you enter His presence wearing a garment of Salvation that Chist Jesus has put on you (Isaiah 61:10), you will perish forever.
My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. I dare not trust in anything less than His unchanging grace. For His Covenant with me is Sealed with His own blood which He Shed for His own glory. I have been given a Down Payment of this Promise in the form of His Holy Spirit. This is the Solid Rock upon which I stand. Your ground is sinking sand.
You may claim to have never killed anyone, but you have counted the blood of Jesus as a common thing. To kill a man is a small matter next to that. The nearest word to Pathisiest in my Dictonary is the word pathetic.
My Belief comes directly from God through His Word. Here is what He has to say about your righteousness:
Romans 3 "There is none righteous, no, not one;Isaiah 64 For since the beginning of the world
There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one."
Come and fall upon your face before your Creator Christ Jesus and confess to Him that He is the Potter and you are the clay who desperately needs Him. Taste my Jesus and see that He is good.
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