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To: OWK
"Your beliefs are perverse."

Argue with both the Old and New Testaments, not with me.

The difference between us is the fact that whereas I once believed the "lie of Eden" (as do all unregenerate men) you still do.

136 posted on 09/17/2001 2:27:08 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
So when is someone condemned to hell? At birth?
137 posted on 09/17/2001 2:31:39 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Jerry_M
Argue with both the Old and New Testaments, not with me. The difference between us is the fact that whereas I once believed the "lie of Eden" (as do all unregenerate men) you still do.

The difference between you and I sir... Is that I don't believe ANY of these fairy tales and myths that men use to justify the evil that they do to one another.

138 posted on 09/17/2001 2:31:52 PM PDT by OWK
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To: All
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up; his sin is hid. The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the breaking forth of children. I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels. Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. (Hosea 3:9-16)

If God would bring this kind of punishment upon His "chosen people" for their sins (including selecting bad leadership!), why should we expect to escape his wrath?

God allowed the Assyrians to carry out these things against Israel, these prophecies were fulfilled. What awaits an unrepentant USA?

140 posted on 09/17/2001 2:33:32 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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