[Jerry_M]

""born guilty" jibberish"

You mean "original sin"? As in the fact that all of us are sinners by nature?

Continue to think that men are born "good" if you choose, the universal nature of sin and wickedness undermines your position.

[OWK]

I submit to you, that the 2 month old baby which died (to use your words) at the "hands of an Angry God"... was in fact innocent. This child could not even comprehend sin, much less commit it.

Your beliefs are perverse.