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To: AgThorn
Except for the fact that debris was found much too far from the crash site to be part of the crash. But then, we wouldn't you to have facts, it might force you to change your mind.
31 posted on 09/16/2001 1:38:28 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: OldFriend
As far as I know, the only debris which was found away from he immediate crash site was very lightweight, almost gossamer light, insulating material, found downwind. Crash experts have said publicly that this is very commonly found to happen in crashes.
77 posted on 09/16/2001 2:00:23 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: OldFriend
Except for the fact that debris was found much too far from the crash site to be part of the crash. But then, we wouldn't you to have facts, it might force you to change your mind.

I realize that the government is a far greater boogeyman than any "supposed terrorist" to a great deal of posters here on FR. However, could you suspend your little crusade for about a week (I know you won't) and just be an American? Also, please do not dishonor the sacrifice of the heros on this plane by posting your conspiracy theories. Even if every one of your theories on this flight is proven true, these guys were still heros. They deserve better than your snide comments.

85 posted on 09/16/2001 2:15:15 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: OldFriend
Except for the fact that debris was found much too far from the crash site to be part of the crash. But then, we wouldn't you to have facts, it might force you to change your mind.

If there were a fight for the controls of the aircraft, it is possible that the dynamic forces on the control surfaces were such that pieces began to fall off. It would be very helpful to know exactly what piece of the plane was recovered. Rudders, elevators, flaps, wingtips, etc. would suggest a fight by the passengers. Bits of the main fuselage would indicate a bomb or AA missile.

-ccm

86 posted on 09/16/2001 2:16:20 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: OldFriend
Eight Miles?? Insulation and papers found eight miles away??? I can imagine that might occur if there were tornados reported in the area...but...eight miles??? Ok..there is a huge rising fireball. Most anything flammable would have succumbed to that within moments. Or let's say some of the stuff managed to escape the heat and in the chaos of the 'mix' near the ground did manage to catch the thermal generated from the heat of the fire without getting toasted. Let's say the paper or insulation might have gained ...say...a couple thousand feet AGL on that ride. At some point the stuff would have to escape and begin its jouney back to earth. (Newton and all that.) Being carried by a brisk wind...let's say 15 miles per hour just for conservative argument's sake... and assuming that paper or insulation has a lousy lift/drag ratio of 1/1 then that paper or insulation might not travel more than...er...a very few thousand feet at most. (WAG) And I'm being VERY forgiving of the physics involved here. Now..some claim to have heard a bang or explosion prior to impact. One might argue that the noise could be the aircraft beginning to break up due to overspeed induced by a power on dive but generally the shredding of wings is the first indication of severe redlining...which did not happen. Not to say that it might not have begun to break up milliseconds before impact. But a simple look at the crater reveals that the wings were at the very least in the correct position upon impact. It can't be a sonic boom...From the position of the observers (feet squarely on the ground) the shock wave would have to follow the impact. And you can't drive one of those monsters into sonic-land without breaking them. Eight miles?? As a dabbling, porpoising sailplane pilot all I can say is I sure wish I had some of that insulation and paper aerodynamics to play around with. The L/D must have been absolutely awesome!!! I say they got hammered at high altitude...
221 posted on 09/18/2001 10:21:58 AM PDT by monsterbunny
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