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America Approves Limits to Liberties
The Detroit News ^ | September 16, 2001 | Cameron McWhirter

Posted on 09/16/2001 3:59:40 AM PDT by riley1992

Edited on 05/25/2004 3:02:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Those limits to liberties are acceptable to Metro Detroiters and most other Americans. A Detroit News poll Thursday found that 88 percent of Metro Detroiters are willing to "accept restrictions on movements such as metal detectors and military personnel in public places" to increase the nation's security from terrorist attacks.


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To: vedicstar
Gee: Stop making excuses for terrorism
102 posted on 09/16/2001 9:49:07 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: vedicstar
This attack is a result of a group of maniacal, religious fanatics hell bent on destroying our ideology and success. Period.
103 posted on 09/16/2001 9:50:35 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: Cultural Jihad
No more back-country Constitutional bickering it out with the local traffic police on why no one should have to be required to have a driver's license in order to drive on a public road.

Did you feel safer when the IRS seized that church in Indiana? Aren't you glad that the government is protecting us from those back-country, Constitutionalist tax-protesters?

104 posted on 09/16/2001 9:50:52 AM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Cultural Jihad
You want statists to do this dirty work for you?!

defending our borders is my dirty work? what does the INS do? i defended our nations borders for 8 years.. what have you done besides support treason on the internet?

108 posted on 09/16/2001 9:54:05 AM PDT by sc01
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To: Cultural Jihad
Women and children used to have the freedom to walk the streets at night. Families used to enjoy the freedom to have picnics in the park unmolested by gangs. Children used to enjoy the freedom of their innocence unassaulted by the pop culture.

First of all, you have confused "freedom" with "safety." Second, not all places were safe for all people. Finally, the onslaught of liberty limiting laws marketed to make us "safer" over the last thirty years has not improved our safety, only reduced our freedom. Surely, even you must see that basic truth. We have more laws, less freedom AND less safety. How will more laws, and even less freedom make us any safer?

109 posted on 09/16/2001 9:54:19 AM PDT by another1
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To: riley1992
This attack is a result of a group of maniacal, religious fanatics hell bent on destroying our ideology and success. Period.

What a strange statement to make. Ideology is the religion of secularists, and there you are claiming it as something as precious as a nation's society, a religion, a way of life. Ideology is just a twisted, narrow, shallow world-view. We need less ideology and more patriotism. Sheesh.

110 posted on 09/16/2001 9:57:28 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: watcher1
Its very possible. I know people are upset...infuriated over the recent horror but we must think clearly about our response.
111 posted on 09/16/2001 10:00:31 AM PDT by diotima
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To: Cultural Jihad
governments sole purpose is to defend our land and our God given freedoms - you propose they do neither?!
112 posted on 09/16/2001 10:00:33 AM PDT by sc01
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To: BKT
THE ENTIRE EPISODE COULD HAVE BEEN AVERTED HAD EACH OF THOSE PLANES HAD STRONGER COCKPIT DOORS AND THOSE FOUR CAPTAINS HAD CRUMBY $300. PISTOLS IN THEIR FLIGHT BAGS!

WE SIMPLY MUST ASK OUR "LEADERS" WHY THEY DID NOT!!

AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT PLAN, ASK THE SURVIVORS OF THE 5,000 FORMER AMERICANS IF THEY WOULD AGAIN TRADE THEIR LOVED ONES TO APPEASE THE OH-SO DELICATE SENSIBILITIES OF ROSIE O'DONNELL, SARAH BRADY AND THE NUTS AT HANDGUN CONTROL. ANYBODY ELSE WONDER WHY WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM SINCE 9-11?

As America continues to reel from the catastrophic events of 9/11, we need to rethink a few things:

It’s probably time to train and ARM the cockpit crews of US carriers who agree to the program. Pilots and FOs who do not want the responsibility can be exempted. It was, after all, the folks controlling the aircraft who were the targets on Terrible Tuesday.

During the rash of hijackings of a few decades ago, the feds put armed “AIR MARSHALS” on many flights. While some correctly argued that a fuselage punctured by a bullet at 35,000 feet MIGHT – repeat MIGHT bring the plane down – hijackings fell off.

One thing we know for sure about the four craft hijacked on 9/11: They ALL CAME DOWN and THEY ALL DIED!!

And to those who will inevitably – and stupidly – argue that pilots and FOs just cannot be trusted with the decision about when it’s time to pull a trigger, better tell the up to 400 folks sitting in the back that the guys up front are judgment-impaired!

Personally, I’d prefer to take my chances with a rapid decompression than watch some madman take MY flight into a building or the ground at 500 mph. That was the final experience of 266 fellow humans on 9/11. I KNOW I – like they – won’t survive that!

And pay VERY close attention to the "solutions" being offered by those in government: They are NOT talking about REMOVING the limitations they have ALREADY placed on us as individuals to DEFEND OURSELVES. They are beginning to talk about FURTHER RESTRICTIONS on our liberties and MORE GOVERNMENT! More GOVERNMENT? The same GOVERNMENT that failed so miserably in its obligation to protect citizens that 5,000 of them died like cattle in a slaughterhouse on September 11th? THAT GOVERNMENT?? </font color=red>

It’s again the old, old story: There aren’t TOO many weapons out there. It’s that the touchy-feely, warm-fuzzy PC crowd now sees to it that all too frequently, THE WRONG PEOPLE HAVE THEM!

114 posted on 09/16/2001 10:01:42 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: ICU812
Thanks for saying that.

And I'd remind all who read this that it was one of histories most notorious socialist tyrants, Adolph Hitler, who correctly declared

"What great luck for rulers that people do not think." </font size=5>

Yes, 9-11-01 was a terrible event and we must find and punish those responsible. And, sadly, there WILL be others.

But we must not punish ourselves and those who come after in the process by killing the idea that was America and for which idea so many have already paid the ultimate price.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Pennsylvania Assembly, Nov. 11, 1755

Let's work the problem, people -- starting with thinking it all the way through.

116 posted on 09/16/2001 10:03:36 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Cultural Jihad
Ideology is the religion of secularists, and there you are claiming it as something as precious as a nation's society, a religion, a way of life. Ideology is just a twisted, narrow, shallow world-view.

???????????????????
What in the HECK are you talking about?

From Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:

ideology

1 : visionary theorizing
2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

117 posted on 09/16/2001 10:03:47 AM PDT by another1
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To: another1
Exactly! The moral-liberal ruination of our society has resulted in more and more laws to pick up the pieces of devastation left in the wake of "treasured freedoms" of self-destruction. You can't have it both ways. You can't support moral-liberalism's "DoYourOwnThangAndIt'sNobody'sBidness" and then decry the presence of laws which come about as a result of that anarchic mess. That is why many people say the libertarians are just the shock-troops of socialism. Wittingly or not, they are advancing socialism with their moral-liberal and moral-anarchic ideology.
118 posted on 09/16/2001 10:05:29 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: another1
1 : visionary theorizing

If you want to call Lenin a "visionary theorizer" and then claim that is on the par with religion, then go ahead.

119 posted on 09/16/2001 10:06:39 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
No, not secular, CJ. There were firm and solid ideas and beliefs that this country was founded on and those are the very things that terrorism seeks to destroy. However, with people like you running loose claiming anyone and everyone who doesn't follow your ramblings in lock step must be morally deficient and religiously bankrupt, they are getting lots of help.
120 posted on 09/16/2001 10:07:28 AM PDT by riley1992
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