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To: Frogurt
So let me see if I understand you. You believe in a God that only gets involved "occaisionally" and for the most part is just sort of "letting things happen". Am I right?

I don't know if you feel that the Bible supports such a view, and I don't kow that you believe the Bible is relevant, but if you believe in "A God" you might want to read His word some. In this instance I would recommend Job. Perhaps one of the oldest books in His word. Job and his friends were trying to figure out why such terrible things had happened to the "world's most righteous man". Job asked this question of God. Read God's answer very carefully. "Job, where were you when I laid the foundation for the world..." If you believe in God this sentence should make you shudder.

In fact if you sort of skip around to random places in your Bible you can find manyplaces where this "idea" of His Sovereignty is supported. Let us turn our attention to one of the newest books in the Bible, Matthew 15. Our Saviour points out that in verse 13 "every plant my Father has not planted will be uprooted". This veiw of the redeemed of the Lord seems rather harsh, doesn't it? In fact, from our perspective, it seems downright unreasonable, doesn't it? Before we begin to chastise Him we had best remember His answer to Job, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the world..."

So we can clearly find that He is Sovereign. We can also find that He knows not all of His creation will worship Him. We know He uses people for His will. It doesn't take much to extend these facts logically to see that He will use those who hate Him just as readily as those who love Him. There you have it. His hand is in everything, we, of course have the freedom to choose, but he knows our choice before we do, and in fact, He counts on it. His book supports this view. Frankly it doesn't support the view you seem to have, that He only "gets involved occaisionally".

23 posted on 09/15/2001 8:46:08 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: wastoute
Actually, Falwell and Robertson are pretty mild compared to, say, John the Baptist. He spoke out against adultery and lost his head for it.
30 posted on 09/15/2001 10:19:15 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: wastoute
But man has been given free will. You sound like a Calvinist. We live under the age of grace forming the body of christ.My Grace is sufficient for thee. Trying to interpret a bombing as a sign from God would be an old testament teaching. There were no more revelations after Paul. There is no one today that could interpret what God's will is.
40 posted on 09/15/2001 11:34:11 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: wastoute
So let me see if I understand you. You believe in a God that only gets involved "occaisionally" and for the most part is just sort of "letting things happen". Am I right?

Actually, no, you're not. I never said anything in my post about when God does or doesn't "let things happen". To be honest, I don't believe in the anthropomorphic concept of God who goes about directing tornados or terrorists at all. My concept tend more towards that of Einstein or Buckminster Fuller, who believed in a Divine Love that maintains and nourishes the regenerative Universe, and manifests It's Will not in "allowing" hijackers to punish our nation's secular ways, but rather in the strength and courage of all good people, from the rescue teams at ground zero to the millions of people supporting and donating to the Red Cross.

I'm sure this makes me one of the "Pagan Jesus-haters" Farwell blames for God's anger, but that's between the Cosmos and me, thank you very much.

I don't know if you feel that the Bible supports such a view, and I don't kow that you believe the Bible is relevant, but if you believe in "A God" you might want to read His word some.

I am quite familiar with the books you speak of, thank you. They are the sacred texts of a specific culture, and should be revered as such, but "The" infalible Word Of God? Leviticus claims that rape victims should wed their assailants and that rabbits chew cud.

In this instance I would recommend Job. Perhaps one of the oldest books in His word. Job and his friends were trying to figure out why such terrible things had happened to the "world's most righteous man". Job asked this question of God. Read God's answer very carefully. "Job, where were you when I laid the foundation for the world..." If you believe in God this sentence should make you shudder.

Me? What about Farwell and Robertson?

62 posted on 09/15/2001 1:08:51 PM PDT by Frogurt
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