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Clarion Call to Christians in the Freeper Wars: How to Win the Culture War--Who, then, is Our Enemy?
Crisis Magazine ^ | Peter Kreeft

Posted on 09/10/2001 1:03:43 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

How to Win the Culture War

How to

Win the

Culture War

Peter Kreeft

 

To win any war, the three most necessary things to know are (1) that you are at war, (2) who your enemy is, and (3) what weapons or strategies can defeat him. You cannot win a war (1) if you simply sew peace banners on a battlefield, (2) if you fight civil wars against your allies, or (3) if you use the wrong weapons.

Here is a three point checklist for the culture wars. I assume you would not be reading a magazine called Crisis if you thought all was well. If you don’t know that our entire civilization is in crisis, I hope you had a nice vacation on the moon.

Many minds do seem moonstruck, however, blissfully unaware of the crisis—especially the “intellectuals,” who are supposed to be the most on top of current events. I was dumbfounded to read a cover article in Time devoted to the question: Why is everything getting better? Why is life so good today? Why does everybody feel so satisfied about the quality of life? Time never questioned the assumption, it just wondered why the music on the Titanic sounded so nice.

It turned out, on reading the article, that every single aspect of life that was mentioned, every single reason for life getting better, was economic. People are richer. End of discussion.

Perhaps Time is just Playboy with clothes on. For one kind of playboy, the world is one great big whorehouse. For another kind, it’s one great big piggy bank. For both, things are getting better and better.

There is a scientific refutation of the Pig Philosophy: the statistical fact that suicide, the most in-your-face index of unhappiness, is directly proportionate to wealth. The richer you are, the richer your family is, and the richer your country is, the more likely it is that you will find life so good that you will choose to blow your brains apart.

Suicide among pre-adults has increased 5000% since the “happy days” of the ’50s. If suicide, especially among the coming generation, is not an index of crisis, nothing is.

Night is falling. What Chuck Colson has labeled “a new Dark Ages” is looming. And its Brave New World proved to be only a Cowardly Old Dream. We can see this now, at the end of “the century of genocide” that was christened “the Christian century” at its birth.

We’ve had prophets who warned us: Kierkegaard, 150 years ago, in The Present Age; and Spengler, 100 years ago, in The Decline of the West; and Aldous Huxley, seventy years ago, in Brave New World; and C. S. Lewis, forty years ago, in The Abolition of Man; and above all our popes: Leo XIII and Pius IX and Pius X and above all John Paul the Great, the greatest man in the world, the greatest man of the worst century. He had even more chutzpah than Ronald Reagan, who dared to call Them “the evil empire”: He called Us “the culture of death.” That’s our culture, and his, including Italy, with the lowest birth rate in the world, and Poland, which now wants to share in the rest of the West’s abortion holocaust.

If the God of life does not respond to this culture of death with judgment, God is not God. If God does not honor the blood of the hundreds of millions of innocent victims then the God of the Bible, the God of Israel, the God of orphans and widows, the Defender of the defenseless, is a man-made myth, a fairy tale.

But is not God forgiving?

He is, but the unrepentant refuse forgiveness. How can forgiveness be received by a moral relativist who denies that there is anything to forgive except a lack of self-esteem, nothing to judge but “judgmentalism?” How can a Pharisee or a pop psychologist be saved?

But is not God compassionate?

He is not compassionate to Moloch and Baal and Ashtaroth, and to Caananites who do their work, who “cause their children to walk through the fire.” Perhaps your God is—the God of your dreams, the God of your “religious preference”—but not the God revealed in the Bible.

But is not the God of the Bible revealed most fully and finally in the New Testament rather than the Old? In sweet and gentle Jesus rather than wrathful and warlike Jehovah?

The opposition is heretical: the old Gnostic-Manichaean-Marcionite heresy, as immortal as the demons who inspired it. For “I and the Father are one.” The opposition between nice Jesus and nasty Jehovah denies the very essence of Christianity: Christ’s identity as the Son of God. Let’s remember our theology and our biology: like Father, like Son.

But is not God a lover rather than a warrior?

No, God is a lover who is a warrior. The question fails to understand what love is, what the love that God is, is. Love is at war with hate, betrayal, selfishness, and all love’s enemies. Love fights. Ask any parent. Yuppie-love, like puppy-love, may be merely “compassion” (the fashionable word today), but father-love and mother-love are war.

In fact, every page of the Bible bristles with spears, from Genesis 3 through Revelation 20. The road from Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained is soaked in blood. At the very center of the story is a cross, a symbol of conflict if there ever was one. The theme of spiritual warfare is never absent in scripture, and never absent in the life and writings of a single saint. But it is never present in the religious education of any of my “Catholic” students at Boston College. Whenever I speak of it, they are stunned and silent, as if they have suddenly entered another world. They have. They have gone past the warm fuzzies, the fur coats of psychology-disguised-as-religion, into a world where they meet Christ the King, not Christ the Kitten.

Welcome back from the moon, kids.

Where is the culture of death coming from? Here. America is the center of the culture of death. America is the world’s one and only cultural superpower.

If I haven’t shocked you yet, I will now. Do you know what Muslims call us? They call us “The Great Satan.” And do you know what I call them? I call them right.

But America has the most just, and moral, and wise, and biblical historical and constitutional foundation in all the world. America is one of the most religious countries in the world. The Church is big and rich and free in America.

Yes. Just like ancient Israel. And if God still loves his Church in America, he will soon make it small and poor and persecuted, as he did to ancient Israel, so that he can keep it alive. If he loves us, he will prune us, and we will bleed, and the blood of the martyrs will be the seed of the Church again, and a second spring will come—but not without blood. It never happens without blood, sacrifice, and suffering. The continuation of Christ’s work—if it is really Christ’s work and not a comfortable counterfeit—can never happen without the Cross.

I don’t mean merely that Western civilization will die. That’s a piece of trivia. I mean eternal souls will die. Billions of Ramons and Vladamirs and Janes and Tiffanies will go to Hell. That’s what’s at stake in this war: not just whether America will become a banana republic, or whether we’ll forget Shakespeare, or even whether some nuclear terrorist will incinerate half of humanity, but whether our children and our children’s children will see God forever. That’s what’s at stake in “Hollywood versus America.” That’s why we must wake up and smell the rotting souls. Knowing we are at war is the first requirement for winning it.

 

The next thing we must do to win a war is to know our enemy.

Who is our enemy?

Not Protestants. For almost half a millennium, many of us thought our enemies were Protestant heretics, and addressed that problem by consigning their bodies to battlefields and their souls to Hell. (Echoes of this strategy can still be heard in Northern Ireland.) Gradually, the light dawned: Protestants are not our enemies, they are our “separated brethren.” They will fight with us.

Not Jews. For almost two millennia many of us thought that, and did such Christless things to our “fathers in the faith” that we made it almost impossible for the Jews to see their God—the true God—in us.

Not Muslims, who are often more loyal to their half-Christ than we are to our whole Christ, who often live more godly lives following their fallible scriptures and their fallible prophet than we do following our infallible scriptures and our infallible prophet.

The same is true of the Mormons and the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Quakers.

Our enemies are not “the liberals.” For one thing, the term is almost meaninglessly flexible. For another, it’s a political term, not a religious one. Whatever is good or bad about political liberalism, it’s neither the cause nor the cure of our present spiritual decay. Spiritual wars are not decided by whether welfare checks increase or decrease.

Our enemies are not anti-Catholic bigots who want to crucify us. They are the ones we’re trying to save. They are our patients, not our disease. Our word for them is Christ’s: “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” We say this of the Chinese communist totalitarians who imprison and persecute Catholics, and to the Sudanese Muslim terrorists who enslave and murder Catholics. They are not our enemies, they are our patients. We are Christ’s nurses. The patients think the nurses are their enemies, but the nurses know better.

Our enemies are not even the media of the culture of death, not even Ted Turner or Larry Flynt or Howard Stern or Disney or Time-Warner. They too are victims, patients, though on a rampage against the hospital, poisoning other patients. But the poisoners are our patients too. So are homosexual activists, feminist witches, and abortionists. We go into gutters and pick up the spiritually dying and kiss those who spit at us, if we are cells in our Lord’s Body. If we do not physically go into gutters, we go into spiritual gutters, for we go where the need is.

Our enemies are not heretics within the Church, “cafeteria Catholics,” “Kennedy Catholics,” “I Did It My Way” Catholics. They are also our patients, though they are Quislings. They are the victims of our enemy, not our enemy.

Our enemies are not theologians in so-called Catholic theology departments who have sold their souls for thirty pieces of scholarship and prefer the plaudits of their peers to the praise of God. They are also our patients.

Our enemy is not even the few really bad priests and bishops, candidates for Christ’s Millstone of the Month Award, the modern Pharisees. They too are victims, in need of healing.

Who, then, is our enemy?

There are two answers. All the saints and popes throughout the Church’s history have given the same two answers, for these answers come from the Word of God on paper in the New Testament and the Word of God in flesh in Jesus Christ.

Yet they are not well known. In fact, the first answer is almost never mentioned today. Not once in my life have I ever heard a homily on it, or a lecture by a Catholic theologian.

Our enemies are demons. Fallen angels. Evil spirits.

So says Jesus Christ: “Do not fear those who can kill the body and then has no more power over you. I will tell you whom to fear. Fear him who has power to destroy both body and soul in Hell.”

So says St. Peter, the first pope: “The Devil, like a roaring lion, is going through the world seeking the ruin of souls. Resist him, steadfast in the faith.”

So says St. Paul: “We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of wickedness in high places.”

So said Pope Leo the XIII, who received a vision of the 20th century that history has proved terrifyingly true. He saw Satan, at the beginning of time, allowed one century in which to do his worst work, and he chose the 20th. This pope with the name and heart of a lion was so overcome by the terror of this vision that he fell into a trance. When he awoke, he composed a prayer for the whole Church to use to get it through the 20th century. The prayer was widely known and prayed after every Mass—until the ’60s: exactly when the Church was struck with that incomparably swift disaster that we have not yet named (but which future historians will), the disaster that has destroyed a third of our priests, two-thirds of our nuns, and nine-tenths of our children’s theological knowledge; the disaster that has turned the faith of our fathers into the doubts of our dissenters, the wine of the Gospel into the water of psychobabble.

The restoration of the Church, and thus the world, might well begin with the restoration of the Lion’s prayer and the Lion’s vision, because this is the vision of all the popes and all the saints and our Lord himself: the vision of a real Hell, a real Satan, and real spiritual warfare.

 

I said there were two enemies. The second is even more terrifying than the first. There is one nightmare even more terrible than being chased and caught and tortured by the Devil. That is the nightmare of becoming a devil. The horror outside your soul is terrible enough; how can you bear to face the horror inside your soul?

What is the horror inside your soul? Sin. All sin is the Devil’s work, though he usually uses the flesh and the world as his instruments. Sin means inviting the Devil in. And we do it. That’s the only reason why he can do his awful work; God won’t let him do it without our free consent. And that’s why the Church is weak and the world is dying: because we are not saints.

And thus we have our third Necessary Thing: the weapon that will win the war and defeat our enemy.

All it takes is saints.

Can you imagine what twelve more Mother Teresas would do for the world? Can you imagine what would happen if just twelve readers of this article offered Christ 100% of their hearts and held back nothing, absolutely nothing?

No, you can’t imagine it, any more than anyone could imagine how twelve nice Jewish boys could conquer the Roman Empire. You can’t imagine it, but you can do it. You can become a saint. Absolutely no one and nothing can stop you. It is your free choice. Here is one of the truest and most terrifying sentences I have ever read (from William Law’s Serious Call): “If you will look into your own heart in complete honesty, you must admit that there is one and only one reason why you are not a saint: you do not wholly want to be.”

That insight is terrifying because it is an indictment. But it is also thrillingly hopeful because it is an offer, an open door. Each of us can become a saint. We really can.

What holds us back? Fear of paying the price.

What is the price? The answer is simple. T.S. Eliot defines the Christian life as: “A condition of complete simplicity/Costing not less than/Everything.” The price is everything: 100%. A worse martyrdom than the quick noose or stake: the martyrdom of dying daily, dying to all your desires and plans, including your plans about how to become a saint. A blank check to God. Complete submission, “islam,” “fiat”—Mary’s thing. Look what that simple Mary-thing did 2000 years ago: It brought God down and saved the world.

It was meant to continue.

If we do that Mary-thing—and only if we do that—then all our apostolates will “work”: our missioning and catechizing and fathering and mothering and teaching and studying and nursing and businessing and priesting and bishoping—everything.

A bishop asked one of the priests of his diocese for recommendations on ways to increase vocations. The priest replied: The best way to attract men in this diocese to the priesthood, Your Excellency, would be your canonization.

Why not yours?

Vol. 16 - No.6 - June 1998

Peter Kreeft is a professor of philosophy at Boston College.


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To: proud2bRC, patent, LarryLied
Excellent article.

Have you heard of the Focolare movement?

It is well-known around the world, but not in the United States. It is a movement, now in every country and with millions of adherents, which is in the heart of the Church and has as its charism 'unity.'

The founder of this incredible movement is a woman named Chiara Lubich. This began through her in Trent, Italy during WWII.

Chiara Lubich is a Roman Catholic who writes and speaks (with great depth) of the most 'Catholic' aspects of our faith. In a seeming paradox, there are people from all different faiths who embrace this spirituality.

Pope John Paul II supports this movement so strongly that he has given to it, permanently, part of Castelgandolfo. He has met many times with Chiara Lubich and has visited the home of the Focolare Movement, which is in Italy.

Interestingly, Chiara Lubich is the first woman, ever, to speak at a Muslim mosque. She was invited by Imam W. D. Mohammed to speak at a mosque of the black Muslims in New York City about two years ago. He and many of these Muslim people are embracing this spirituality of unity and it is strengthening relations between Christians and Muslims. In my diocese, I have participated in meetings with Catholics, including our bishop, and our Muslim friends.

Here is a quote from Imam W. D. Mohammed given to members of the Focolare: "I wholeheartedly accept and embrace with you the idea of unity, mutual sharing, and love for one another. I think that it is as Islamic for me, as it is Christian...We have to be conditioned to have peace. God has given us the requirements that we have to meet for a life of faith in Him. And when we meet these conditions, we do have peace."

There are also Christians of many denominations, Jews, and even Hindus who are coming to mutual understanding through this movement.

The word 'focolare' means 'hearthside' in Italian and is the nickname given to this movement by the local people who, in the beginning, felt the warmth of the love and hospitality which came from the lives of the early members.

There is a website. My computer savvy is pretty poor, so I don't know how to make a link yet, but the address is www.focolare.org

61 posted on 09/10/2001 6:21:50 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: pax_et_bonum
Have you heard of the Focolare movement?

As you might suspect, I have not heard of it. But by reading your previous posts, I do want to know of it

Haven't checked it out yet but for those who are interested: Click here

Btw....links are easy to create pax....here is how to do it:

<a HREF="URL">Link Description</a>

where "URL" is the URL address you want to link to and Link Description is whatever you want to call your link. For example:

<a HREF="http://www.drudgereport.com/">Drudge Report</a>

becomes Drudge Report


62 posted on 09/10/2001 6:36:44 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: pax_et_bonum

True Salvation Is Found In The Cross Of Christ

Your Eminences,
Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate!

1. I am pleased to offer you my cordial greeting on the occasion of your spiritual conference for the friends of the Focolare Movement, taking place these days at the Mariapolis Centre in Castel Gandolfo. Thank you for today's visit, an expression of the ecclesial communion that unites you to the Successor of Peter.

You have gathered for shared reflection, based on reports, experiences and testimonies, on the stimulating theme: "Christ Crucified and Abandoned, Root of the Church as Communion". While expressing my deep appreciation of this initiative, which is taking place for the 25th time, I encourage you to be guided by the indications I gave in the Apostolic Letter Novo millennio ineunte. In it, in fact, I invite the entire Christian people to set their gaze firmly on the face of the crucified and risen Christ and to deepen their knowledge of the mystery of suffering and love from which the Church as communion is born and is constantly renewed as a living icon of the Holy Trinity.

2. In the cross of Christ we find the true source of salvation, the supreme revelation of God's love and the profound root of communion with God and among us. In Jesus' agony on the cross, which appears as the moment when darkness and evil trumphed, it is actually the victory of Christ that is accomplished through his obedient love for the Father and his solidarity with men, prisoners of sin.

In the Apostolic Letter mentioned above, I wrote in this regard: "Jesus' cry on the cross is not the cry of anguish of a man without hope, but the prayer of the Son who offers his life to the Father in love, for the salvation of all. At the very moment when he identifies with our sin, "abandoned' by the Father, he "abandons' himself into the hands of the Father" (Novo millennio ineunte, n. 26).

Therefore evil and sin are definitively defeated in Christ crucified and abandoned, and the full unity of mankind with the Father and of human beings with each other becomes possible. According to the words of the Evangelist John, inspired by an earlier oracle of the prophet Zechariah, men "shall look on him whom they have pierced" (Jn 19:37). This convergence on the cross is directed by Christ to the Father, in order to form around him a new community of love. We shall truly never exhaust the depths of this great mystery (cf. Novo millennio ineunte, n. 25)!

3. Love for Christ crucified, contemplated in the climax of suffering and abandonment, is the high road not only for making the communion of the ecclesial structure ever more real at all levels, but also for opening a fruitful dialogue with other cultures and religions. To this end, the spiritual themes, theological reflections and testimonies which you are sharing in these days will be of great help to you.

From contemplating the face of the abandoned, crucified Christ important consequences will certainly result, prompting you to live in depth the great mystery of the communion contained and revealed in it: "If we have truly contemplated the face of Christ", I wrote in the Apostolic Letter Novo millennio ineunte mentioned above, "our pastoral planning will necessarily be inspired by the "new commandment' which he gave us. "Love one another, as I have loved you' (Jn 13:34)" (n. 42).

In the historical transition that we are experiencing, you have a difficult mission before you: to make the Church the place where we live and the school where the mystery of God's love is taught. How will this be possible without rediscovering an authentic spirituality of communion? It is necessary first of all to see with the eyes of the heart the Trinitarian mystery present within us, in order to know how to recognize it in the faces of others. A brother in faith should be regarded as one who belongs to us in the mysterious unity of the Mystical Body. Only by making room for my brother, by acknowledging what is positive in him, can I understand how much he is a gift for me (cf. Novo millennio ineunte, n. 43). Thus lived, the spirituality of unity and communion that characterizes your Movement will not fail to bear abundant fruits of renewal for all believers.

4. Venerable and dear Brothers! You offer the contribution of your experience and pastoral ministry to the study and reflection of these days. Thanks be to God, you yourselves are witnesses to the fruits of mutual understanding and close cooperation that are growing in the Church as a result of the efforts made by the various Movements. May you yourselves be its generous and responsible leaders.

May you know how to make this conference a fitting occasion to grow in this dimension, in the spirit of the effective and affective collegiality which must characterize your mission. From mutual love you will draw reasons for encouragement, renewed strength and firm hope. With these sentiments and wishes, I invoke the constant protection of the Virgin Mary, Mother of Unity, on each of you, on your ecclesial communities and on all your loved ones, as I affectionately give you a special Apostolic Blessing.

From the Vatican, 14 February 2001.

Joannes Paulus II

© L'Osservatore Romano, Editorial and Management Offices, Via del Pellegrino, 00120, Vatican City, Europe, Telephone 39/6/698.99.390.

63 posted on 09/10/2001 6:39:26 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: OWK
The boogerman.

Do you dine with him often? Or just when the mood strikes him?

64 posted on 09/10/2001 6:46:02 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: OWK
Dear OWK,

"Catch the Naked Counselor", egad. I know the church is in dire need of priests, but to retain such as that -- inexcusable.

I wonder that you didn't go with your sister to the police instead of to the church in the second case (chronologically, though numbered 1) in light of your previous experience. However, I know it is tough on children to be witnesses in such cases. If the priest was in fact guilty, fobbing him off on another parish hardly seems like the right course of action for the church to take.

I know half a dozen self-described homosexual atheists, none of them paederasts to my knowledge.

Do you think homosexuality is chosen? I do, for the simple reason that sexual activity (as distinct from sex) is usually chosen (not always, though, as you can attest). Affection, of course, not requiring sexual activity. How, I wonder, does one determine whether a virgin is hetero or homo?

Have you made any headway with your moral defense of property ownersip? The pursuit of liberty threads could use your input if you have.

Kindest Regards

65 posted on 09/10/2001 6:48:51 PM PDT by SwimmingUpstream
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To: LarryLied, Proud2bRC
Larry, thanks for the missing link. :)

Thanks to both of you for your responses.

The Focolare has had a tremendous effect on me. I am a very orthodox Roman Catholic. I love the Church and have tried to grow ever closer to God through the sacraments and prayer. I have greatly benefited from reading some of the writings of the saints about prayer, especially Theresa of Avila and John of the Cross. Because I had never been a 'movement' kind of Catholic, I didn't expect to find this depth of spirituality. It is there, and in tremendous abundance.

The ecumenical aspect of the Focolare is simply amazing to me. Having participated in it, I know it is real and, simply, miraculous.

66 posted on 09/10/2001 6:56:48 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: proud2bRC
Once 6 or 7 years ago, I told him that sooner or later, atheism leads to despair, and atheists have a higher than average suicide rate.
...
Three years ago, he tried to commit suicide, but failed.

How nice of you to plant the seed and wait to reap the harvest. With friends like you...

67 posted on 09/10/2001 6:58:06 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: proud2bRC
That is why zealous christians can only listen to Rush Limbaugh for so long, until they tire of his shtick. Rush (95% of the time) preaches a gospel of salvation by conservative Republican ideology. I'm tired of it. His shtick fails to feed the soul. It is in the end a gospel of salvation by capitalistic materialism.

I challange you to document this claim with actual quotes from Rush. You can't do it.
I've been listening to Rush for years and have never heard him "preach" this so-called "gospel of salvation by capitalistic materialism."

Rush preaches the virtues of individual freedom as our forefathers did, as "everyman is endowed by his Creator with inalienable rights...." etc. and the human potential that history has shown brings the greatest prosperity this world has ever seen.
This is a blessing from God and you've misjudged Rush because you are putting the cart before the horse.

68 posted on 09/10/2001 7:04:17 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jolly Rodgers
All one can do is be a model and give a helpful nudge here and there. I am sure you would be the first to scream if someone went beyond that.

So don't give us this Saul Alinsky crap about how we don't live up to our morals and don't help others.

You would be the first to say we have no right to do spit for anyone lest we interfer in their right to off them self.

69 posted on 09/10/2001 7:09:08 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Jorge,proud2bRC
Jorge...you are both correct as proud2bRC mentioned in a later reply. Rush does what he does, evangelicals do theirs. Rush does lay the groundwork for religion to thrive. He does that, of course, by fighting secularists who want religion forced out of political discourse.
70 posted on 09/10/2001 7:16:04 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Hear, hear!
71 posted on 09/10/2001 7:24:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
A student of Rommel & Patton too huh?

Hit them fast, and hit them where they least expect it.

72 posted on 09/10/2001 7:29:43 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
All one can do is be a model and give a helpful nudge here and there. I am sure you would be the first to scream if someone went beyond that. So don't give us this Saul Alinsky crap about how we don't live up to our morals and don't help others. You would be the first to say we have no right to do spit for anyone lest we interfer in their right to off them self.

I've no problem with you doing things to help people, just don't try to do it with my money and don't try to help people against their will. As regards my comments to the Prideful One, I was merely highlighting the irony of his/her glee at having predicted correctly the suffering that his/her supposed "friend" went through.

73 posted on 09/10/2001 7:35:04 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: LarryLied
Hit them fast, and hit them where they least expect it.

Your kind is so prone to the violent metaphors. Must be a side effect of all that faithing.

74 posted on 09/10/2001 7:36:48 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: LarryLied
I'm trying to limit my words so no one will ask the moderators to delete my posts selectively like they did the other night ion an rdf thread.
75 posted on 09/10/2001 7:37:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: LarryLied
By the way, I do appreciate the links on your homepage on the abuses of public education. I look forward to the day when we abolish government involvement in education.
76 posted on 09/10/2001 7:38:34 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Jolly Rodgers
Your kind is so prone to the violent metaphors. Must be a side effect of all that faithing.

You don't get it do you? Let me spell it out: One does not have to be religious to support freedom of faith, freedom of conscious. That is what the enlightenment was all about. That is what America is all about. Because I defend faith says nothing about my faith. I want, as Larry King says, a level playing field. I want faith, no matter what faith, out there contesting in the realm of ideas. I want everyone to participate. People are capable of shaking out what is evil from what is good, what is phony from what is real, what is destructive to life from what promotes life.

If you must know, I am a Unitarian. Very few on FR consider me a Christian. I do try to educate them but the religion of Jefferson, Channing, Adams and others, despite the allure of their political philosophies, does not garner me many converts.

77 posted on 09/10/2001 7:52:49 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
The fundamental solution to all problems is through a relationship with Jesus Christ.

I love it!
A friend of mine said it similarly:

Jesus is the answer! Now what was your question?
78 posted on 09/10/2001 7:57:52 PM PDT by UnChained
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To: ernest de moniac
Your# 52)
Answer: "UnEqually Yoked"......ie. 'Mixed-marriages'....ie. 'mixed-worldviews'......
......ie. 'Ego wars' dis-allowing the VERY 1st Commandment!
See: Romans Chapter One (1)....the Whole Chapter!
79 posted on 09/10/2001 8:13:16 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Jolly Rodgers
IF a Godless person wanted to end his life, what argument could you give to stop him? In the mind of the Godless we all turn back to dust and none of this makes a difference anyway. This logic cannot be refuted by bringing up family, friends, ect. They are not always around. Abbie Hoffman and Kurt Cobain's actions made sense if you see the world the way they saw it. I wish I could have told them they were not alone. Only with God is life sacred.
80 posted on 09/10/2001 8:15:56 PM PDT by mustapha mond
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