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Serfs: About Your Privilige, Driving

Posted on 09/08/2001 6:54:24 PM PDT by Prism

TO TRAVEL IS A "RIGHT,"

NOT A GOVERNMENT GRANTED "PRIVILEGE "

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1. The issue is whether this Sovereign is required to obey the provisions in North Carolina General Statutes. It is the contention of this Sovereign that because he is a Free and Natural Person who has given up none of his "RIGHTS." That the North Carolina General Statutes does not apply to him. It is also the contention of this Sovereign that travels upon the streets or highways in North Carolina by this Sovereign is an unalienable "RIGHT." Being this, is not subject to regulation or legislation by the State of North Carolina General Assembly.

2. Let us first consider the contention of this Sovereign that travels upon the streets or highways in North Carolina is a "RIGHT." Various courts have ruled on this issue. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled:

3. The Supreme Court of Wisconsin stated in 1909:

4. The Supreme Court of the State of Illinois ruled:

5. "Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, sign, etc., NOT a privilege that requires permission, i.e.; licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc..

6. PRIVILEGE OR RIGHT?

7. It could not be stated more conclusively that Sovereigns of the states have a "RIGHT" to travel, without approval or restriction, (license), and that this "RIGHT" is protected under the U.S. Constitution. After all, who do the roadways belong to anyway? The People-At-Large. Here are other court decisions that expound the same facts:

8. The Washington State Supreme Court stated:

9. The Supreme Court of the State of Indiana ruled in 1873:

10. 11 American Jurisprudence 1st, has this to say:

11. The Supreme Court of the State of Georgia ruled:

12. The Supreme Court of the State of Colorado discussed the issue in the following way in 1961.

13. The Constitution of the State of Idaho contains the words:

14. The words of the Idaho Constitution are to all intents and purposes identical with those of the North Carolina Constitution. The Constitution of the State of North Carolina, Article I, §1, states as follows:

15. Since courts tend to be consistent in their rulings, it would be expected the Idaho Supreme Court would rule in the same manner as the North Carolina Supreme Court.

16. Other authorities have arrived at similar conclusions:

17. The Constitution of the State of North Carolina, Article I, §36:

18. I demand all of my other rights, including the right to travel upon the public highways and byways in the United States of America.

19. The Constitution of the State of North Carolina, Article I, §2:

20. As member of the Sovereignty of the people, I not only am entitled to use the highways and byways in the United States of America, I have an inalienable right to use the highways and byways.

21. I have emphasized the word "RIGHT" because it is a common point among the authorities listed. The Idaho Code even joins in this common point:

22. The United States Supreme Court has ruled that:

23. Thus, there can be little doubt that, when this Sovereign travels upon the streets or highways in North Carolina, he does so as a matter of "RIGHT" and not privilege. The authority for such travel is described variously as a "RIGHT," a "COMMON RIGHT," an "ABSOLUTE RIGHT," an "UNALIENABLE RIGHT," and a "RIGHT" protected by the Constitution of the United States. Let us then examine the importance of these terms to this Sovereign by defining their meaning.

24. It shows from these definitions that the State has an obligation to acknowledge the "RIGHTS" of this Sovereign to travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina. Further, the State has the duty to refrain from interfering with this "RIGHT" and to protect this "RIGHT" and to enforce the claim of this Sovereign to it.

25. Now if this Sovereign has the absolute "RIGHT" to move about on the streets or highways, does that "RIGHT" include the "RIGHT" to travel in a vehicle upon the streets or highways? The Supreme Court of the State of Texas has made comments that are an appropriate response to this question.

26. These words of the Supreme Court of Texas are of particular importance in Idaho because the Idaho Supreme Court quoted the Supreme Court of Texas and used these exact words in rendering its decision in the case of O'Conner v. City of Moscow, 69 Idaho 37. The Supreme Court of Texas went on to say further;

27. PROPERTY

28. The United States Supreme Court states:

29. These authorities point out that the "RIGHT" to own property includes the "RIGHT" to use it. The reasonable use of an automobile is to travel upon the streets or highways on which this Sovereign has an absolute "RIGHT" to use for the purposes of travel. The definitions in Title 49 Chapter 3 of the Idaho Code positively declare the "RIGHT" of this Sovereign to travel in a vehicle upon the streets or highways in Idaho.

30. MOTOR VEHICLE OR VEHICLE?

31. Now if this Sovereign has the "RIGHT" to use a vehicle on the streets or highways in North Carolina, to what extent can the State of North Carolina regulate or diminish that "RIGHT?" There are some who maintain that specific performance is required of every Sovereign who uses a vehicle upon the streets or highways in North Carolina. Let us examine this contention in detail.

Contract?

32. Specific performance is a term used to designate an action in equity in which a party to a contract asks the court to order the other party to carry out the contract which he has failed or refused to perform. Thus, if specific performance is expected, a contract must exist. The question then becomes: What are the terms of the contract and when was it executed and by whom? Since specific performance seems expected of every user of a vehicle on the streets or highways in North Carolina, the user of a vehicle seems one of the parties to the supposed contract. And since the State seems the party demanding specific performance, the State is the other party to the contract. So the supposed contract exists between the user of a vehicle and the State of North Carolina. When was this contract executed and what are its' terms? Some contend that when a user of a vehicle avails himself of the "privilege" of driving on public thoroughfares that he enters a contract with the State that requires him to abide with all the laws in the North Carolina General Statutes. Others contend that the contract is executed when a driver's license is obtained. We need now to figure out what is a contract.

33. A contract may be defined as an agreement enforceable in court between two or more parties, for a sufficient consideration to do or not to do some specified thing or things. Thus, a contract has four essential features:

34. Several types of contracts exist, but all must contain the essential features listed. Contracts can be classified under three principal categories:

35. Quasi contracts, while being called contracts are not really contracts, will not be considered in this discussion of contracts but will be considered in a separation section later.

Unilateral & Bilateral Contracts

36. There can also be unilateral and bilateral contracts that is presumed can exist under some or all the above headings. Let us examine each above types of contracts to see if the license obtained by this Sovereign falls under any of the categories of contract.

38. An Iowa Statute that requires that every foreign corporation named in it shall, as a condition for obtaining a permit to transact business in Iowa, stipulate that it will not remove into the federal court certain suits that it would by the laws of the United States have a "RIGHT" to a permit dependant upon the surrender by the foreign corporation of a privilege secured to it by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Bouvier's Law Dictionary quoting Barron v. Burnside, 121 U.S. 186:

39. It would be foolish for this Sovereign to exchange a "RIGHT" for a privilege since it would mean giving up valuable property in exchange for something having less value. Is it possible for this Sovereign to do such a thing?

40. Thus, even if this Sovereign wanted to do so, he could not give up his "RIGHT" to travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina or exchange it for the privilege of having a driver's license. Thus, in exchange for the supposed obligation of this Sovereign, the State has given nothing. Thus, there is no consideration.

41. It may be contended that the seal on the driver's license is sufficient consideration by the State. It is true that under the common law, the question of consideration could not be raised concerning a contract under seal. The seal provided conclusive presumption of a consideration. Still, North Carolina has abolished by statute the common law presumption of consideration and this statute is binding upon all officers and employees of the State. So, though a seal may be present, it is not evidence of consideration in North Carolina. Of course, the document in question is a contrived and copied document and lacks validity in any case as a contract.

42. As to an obligation, since the license contains no statement of agreement, since there are no parties to any agreement, and since there is no consideration, there can be no obligation. The driver's license thus is not a contract since it fails to contain any of the four essential features of a contract.

43. Can the driver's license be an implied contract? The same elements must exist in an implied contract as exist in an express contract. The only difference is that an implied contract is not written or spoken and the elements of the contract are shown by the acts and conduct of the parties involved. With respect to this Sovereign, there was certainly no meeting of the minds else this brief would not result. It was never the intention of this Sovereign to give up constitutional "RIGHTS" to accept a privilege from the State. Such an action would be ridiculous. This could only be done in a socialistic state. There has been no implied agreement in a free society. It is possible that there were two parties to the supposed contract, the State and this Sovereign. There was no consideration in the implied contract for the same reasons that there was no consideration in the express contract.

44. An obligation is the thing to be done. It may be to pay money, to do work, or to deliver goods; or it may be to refrain from doing something that the person contracting had a "RIGHT" to do. Some may say that the State was obligated to allow this Sovereign to drive on the streets or highways in North Carolina and that this Sovereign was obligated to obey all the Statutes contained in the North Carolina General Statutes. It would be just as easy to say that the State could not be obligated to allow this Sovereign to travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina because they did not have the "RIGHT" or the power to prevent him from doing so.

45. If the State cannot prevent this Sovereign from his travels on the streets or highways in North Carolina, they do not have any discretion in the matter and do not have the choice of whether to obligate themselves or not. Thus, the obligation of the State cannot be to grant this Sovereign the privilege of travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina. The obligation of the State cannot be to refrain from prohibiting this Sovereign from his travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina since the State did not have the "RIGHT" to do this at first.

46. It is the contention of this Sovereign that the only obligation that this Sovereign incurs when using a vehicle upon the streets or highways in North Carolina is the Common Law obligation to refrain from any act that causes another person to lose life, liberty, or property. In complying with this obligation, this Sovereign does comply with many Statutes in the North Carolina General Statutes since they are, for the most part, only common sense rules by which this Sovereign avoids doing damage to others.

47. Still, this acquiescence to some Statutes of The North Carolina General Statutes should not be construed as evidence of a contractual obligation by this Sovereign. Neither should it be construed as acquiescence to all the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes or to any of them always. Instead, it is merely evidence of a want of this Sovereign to travel safely and to do harm to no one.

48. Thus, the actions of this Sovereign do not supply unambiguous evidence of a contract with the State. Instead, the actions can, with equal weight, be said to be evidence of the fact that this Sovereign was complying with Common Law requirement that he does harm to no one. The driver's license is not an implied contract because there is no consideration, there may be possibly be two parties, but there is no consideration, and there is not clear evidence of an obligation. Three of the four elements necessary for a contract are missing.

49. The question now becomes whether the driver's license application is a contract. In completing this document, the applicant makes several statements and signs the paper upon which these statements are written under oath. The statements concern the identity, physical description, address, ability and experience in operating a vehicle, and one statement on the physical condition of the applicant. None of the statements are as an agreement.

50. The application form contains the signature of the applicant and the signature of the person taking the oath of the applicant. The reverse side of the Application contains the results of a vision test and rudimentary physical examination with the results of a driving test. These results are signed by the examiner and not by the applicant.

51. Thus the application takes the form of an Affidavit instead of a contract. But let us see if the elements of a contract are present in the application.

52. Since none of the necessary elements of a contract are present, the application does not constitute a contract.

53. The only other document involved in obtaining a driver's license is the document, part of which is copied to make the actual driver's license. It contains, besides the information that is used in making the driver's license, the results of a vision test conducted by the driver's license examiner.

54. The applicant places his signature upon this form that is then copied by some photographic process. Other material is added including a photograph, signature of the Director of the Department of Law Enforcement and the driver's license is made of this composite.

55. Thus the license itself cannot be a contract because it is a contrived document. The form from which the driver's license is made cannot be a contract because, again, none of the elements of a contract are present. So if none of the documents executed by the driver when obtaining a license is a contract, then no contract can exist between the driver and the State as a result of obtaining a driver's license.

56. But the idea that the driver's license is a contract with the State is pervasive. It is a belief that is strongly held even by people in high places. So let us examine the driver's license as if it were a contract and see if it can withstand scrutiny. Not every offer made by one party and accepted by the other creates a valid contract. The outward form of a contract, either oral or written may exist, and yet the circumstances may be such that no contract was in reality created. Some circumstances that will cause an apparently valid contract to be void are:

57. This Sovereign obtained a driver's license upon the representation by the State that one's travel upon the streets or highways of the United States of America was a privilege. This Sovereign accepted this representation as true and did obtain a driver's license.

58. But the General Assembly of the State who passed the Statutes contained in the North Carolina General Statutes are knowledgeable persons, many of whom are lawyers, and they undoubtedly knew at the time the law was passed that an individual's travel was a "RIGHT" and not a privilege. If this were the case, then the mistake would be unilateral. A unilateral mistake known to the other party is sufficient grounds to void a contract.

59. Fraud

60. If the driver's license is a contract, a case can be made for the contention that it was an agreement obtained by the State by fraud.

61. With respect to contracts, the following statements can be made:

62. In view of the many decisions by high courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States, that one's travel is a "RIGHT" and not a privilege, it would be hard to defend the proposition that the General Assembly of the State of North Carolina was unaware of these decisions, particularly since many legislators are and were lawyers knowledgeable in such matters. In fact, when one considers the definition of streets or highways in Sections of the North Carolina General Statutes, the Evidence is conclusive that the legislature knew and knows that ones travels is a "RIGHT."

63. Therefore, the statements in the North Carolina General Statutes that a travel is a privilege and that a driver's license is necessary before one can travel constitutes a material misrepresentation of fact to this possessor of a driver's license. And since the legislature is and was aware of the fact that an individual's travels was not a privilege, but a "RIGHT," the statement that one's travels is a privilege, when applied to this Sovereign, constitutes a willful intention to deceive, and therefore, to defraud.

64. This Sovereign did rely upon the representations of the legislature that an individual's travels was a privilege when he obtained his driver's license, else he would not have obtained one.

65. This Sovereign did suffer damage as a result of his acting upon the representation of the legislature at least to the extent of the license fee.

66. In as much as all the necessary elements of fraud are present if the driver's license is considered a contract, the "contract" is void.

DURESS

67. With respect to duress, Bergh, supra., supplies the following definition:

68. Since it was essential to this Sovereign in pursuing his occupation of common "RIGHT" to use a vehicle upon the streets or highways in North Carolina, and since the State of North Carolina threatens to and does prosecute persons in criminal actions for not possessing a driver's license, regardless of their status, this Sovereign did obtain a driver's license under duress. If then the driver's license is a contract, the contract is unenforceable and invalid because of this duress.

69. With respect to alterations, Bergh, supra., has the following comments:

70. If the driver's license is a contract, it is a written contract, at least to the extent that the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes are written. Each time that the General Assembly amends or modifies or adds to any of the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes, the terms of the contract are changed. Since this Sovereign then has the option of considering the contract as discharged, he then chooses to do so as of the first change in the North Carolina General Statutes following his application for a driver's license.

71. If it is contended that the driver's license is an implied contract, the "Statute of Frauds" comes into play. North Carolina has enacted a "Statute of Frauds."

72. In the following cases the agreement is invalid, unless the same or some note or memorandum of it, be in writing and subscribed by the party charged, or by his agent. Evidence, therefore, of the agreement cannot be received without the writing or secondary evidence of its contents:

73. Since the term of the driver's license contract is so many years and the contract is not written, the "Statute of Frauds" does apply and the contract is unenforceable.

74. The discussion up to this point has been concerned with bilateral contracts in which each party promises something to the other party. Is it possible that the driver's license is a unilateral contract? A unilateral contract is described as:

75. Since the act expected by the State is obedience to the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes, what promise has the State offered in exchange for this act? The only promise that the State could make this Sovereign is the promise to allow him to travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina. Since this Sovereign already can do that as a matter of "RIGHT," the State can promise him nothing. Thus there is no consideration and a unilateral contract cannot exist.

76. Having shown that no contract exists between this Sovereign and the State, let us examine the proposition that a quasi-contract exists between this Sovereign and the State.

77. Quasi-Contract

78. In order to establish the existence of a quasi-contractual obligation it must be shown:

79. Thus, if it is contended that this Sovereign must obey the Statutes in the North Carolina General Statutes because of a quasi-contract, it must be shown that this Sovereign has received a benefit from the State. But one's travels on the streets or highways of the State is not a benefit received from the State. It was a "RIGHT" that attached to this Sovereign at the moment of his birth and cannot be removed by the State. In this respect, no benefit has been received from the State, and thus a quasi-contractual obligation cannot exist with respect to this Sovereign.

80. It may be claimed that the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes are made pursuant to the police powers of the State and that every person in the State is obligated to obey them.

81. The police power is a grant of authority from the people to their governmental agents for the protection of the health, the safety, the comfort and the welfare of the public. In its nature, it is broad and comprehensive. It is a necessary and salutary power, since without it, society would be at the mercy of individual interest and there would exist neither public order or security. While this is true, it is only a power. It is not a "RIGHT?"

82. The powers of government, under our system, are nowhere absolute. They are but grants of authority from the people, and are limited to their true purposes. The fundamental "RIGHTS" of the people are inherent and have not yielded to governmental control. They are not the subjects of governmental authority. They are subjects of individual authority. Constitutional powers can never transcend constitutional "RIGHTS." The police power is subject to the limitations imposed by the Constitution upon every power of government; and it will not be suffered to invade or impair the fundamental liberties of the Sovereign, those natural "RIGHTS" that are the chief concern of the Constitution and for whose protection it was ordained by the people.

83. Where inherent, unalienable, absolute "RIGHTS" are concerned, the police powers can have no effect. The "RIGHT" to travel on the streets or highways and the "RIGHT" to own and use property have been described as inherent, unalienable, and absolute. Thus the police power cannot regulate this Sovereign's "RIGHT" to use a vehicle on the streets or highways in North Carolina.

84. If the police power of the State is permitted to regulate the travels of this Sovereign on the streets or highways in North Carolina, and if, through the action of these regulations or Statutes, this Sovereign is denied access to the streets or highways in North Carolina; a fundamental "RIGHT" of this Sovereign has been abrogated.

85. The abrogation of unalienable "RIGHTS" by legislation or rule making is unconstitutional.

86. If further proof is needed to show that this Sovereign need not be licensed to travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina, it is provided in the following decisions:

87. Since a fee is charged for a driver's license and since one's travels on the streets or highways in North Carolina is a "RIGHT" guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and by the LAW OF NATURE, it is not constitutional for the State to require this Sovereign to be licensed to travel.

88. Even the application for North Carolina Driver's License Form recognizes the "RIGHT" of some persons to travel without a license. North Carolina General Statutes recognizes categories of persons who are not required to be licensed in this State. Why is it then that the first demand made by the law enforcement personnel when making a traffic stop is:

"Let's see your driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance,"

and not always politely, when the first question should be;

"What is your status and are you required to have a driver's license?"

89. Can it be that there is a conspiracy afoot within the State to reduce all Sovereigns to a status of contract? Why else would a law enforcement person take a Sovereign to jail without even trying to discover if that Sovereign is exempt from the requirement of having a driver's license?

90. The question now becomes whether this Sovereign is required to obey any of the Statutes in the North Carolina General Statutes? It has been shown that this Sovereign has a "RIGHT" to travel on the streets or highways in North Carolina. So, any Statute that describes driving on the streets or highways as a privilege cannot apply to this Sovereign. Since the "RIGHT" of this Sovereign to travel cannot be abrogated, any Statute the operation of which would have the effect of denying access to the streets or highways to this Sovereign cannot be applied to this Sovereign.

91. Since violation of any Statue in the North Carolina General Statutes is classified as a "misdemeanor" that is punishable by a fine and six months in jail, and since putting this Sovereign in jail because of his use of the streets or highways that harms nobody would be an abrogation of his "RIGHT" to travel, none of the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes apply to this Sovereign. These contentions are supported by the Supreme Court of United States.

92. This decision is consistent with that in Miranda, supra, in which it was stated that where "RIGHTS" are concerned, there can be no rule making or legislation that would abrogate them. It is also consistent with the discussion in the following case. This case is a tax case, but the discussion on "RIGHTS" that it contains is appropriate.

93. Individual and a Corporation

94. The Emphasized statement is also consistent with North Carolina Statute. In the Statute reads:

95. Since the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes cannot apply to this Sovereign, he becomes subject to the Common Law that maintains that he owes nothing to the public while he does not trespass upon their "RIGHTS."

96. Is it the contention of this Sovereign that because the Statutes contained in the North Carolina General Statutes do not apply to him that the Statutes are unconstitutional? Absolutely not. There is a class of persons in North Carolina to whom these Statutes apply without reservation. Members of this class include corporations and those who do the corporation business on the streets or highways in North Carolina. A corporation is the creation of the State.

97. It is a person in the eyes of the law but it lacks character, no morals, no conscience. It's every activity must be directed and supervised by the State. Under the definition of "Due Process of Law", Bouvier's Law Dictionary states in part:

98. The Statutes in the North Carolina General Statutes are designed to direct the activities of the class of persons of which a corporation is a member. Corporations are absolutely bound by these Statutes. It is imperative that a conscienceless entity not be allowed to roam the streets or highways in North Carolina and jeopardize the Sovereigns. It is for this purpose that the Statutes of the North Carolina General Statutes were enacted and not for the control of a Free and Natural Sovereign.

Conclusion

99. There is no Court in this Land that could lawfully execute an Order that would or could cause, or work to compel, One to become a servant or slave of any city, county or state without a conviction and with full Due Process of Law, and for any city, county, or state to pretend otherwise is an absurdity.

Losing Cases

Driver's License / Right to Travel


United States ex rel. Verdone v. Circuit Court for Taylor County, 851 F. Supp. 345 (W.D. Wisc. 1993)
Argued that the traffic laws infringed on his right to travel and that enforcement of the traffic laws constituted a conspiracy.

City of Spokane v. Port, 716 P.2d 945 (Wash. Ct. App. 1986)
Argued that a law requiring that drivers have licenses unconstitutionally restricts one's right to travel.

State v. Gibson, 697 P.2d 1216 (Idaho Ct. App. 1985)
Argued that as a "free man" the motor vehicle laws do not apply to him without his consent.

State v. Turk, 643 P.2d 224 (Mont. 1982)
Argued that Montana's compulsory automobile liability insurance statutes are unconstitutional.


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To: Roscoe
Good case, Roscoe. I've added it to the collection. It's a case that knocks down most, if not all, of the "driving is a right" arguments.

For the cost of the fines for driving without a license, I could buy a new laptop.

101 posted on 09/09/2001 10:31:17 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Prism
If driving is so dangerous, then why are people allowed to drink (0.08) and drive?

In this state, because of the lobbying power of the Tavern League.

If driving is so dangerous, why are people allowed to drive after they DO get a DUI?

See my answer, above. But you may also want to review your DUI laws. MADD also has quite a bit of influence in the fines and penalties after a DUI, and all subsequent DUI's.

If driving is so dangerous, why am I allowed to keep my license my entire life without retesting?

Not exactly. Here, your eyes have to be tested every time you renew. If you have been unconscious, have a seizure disorder (like my brother-in-law and niece) and for other medical reasons, your license is lifted for months, or your driving is severely restricted. If you are uninsured and have an accident, they can lift your license. They can lift your license for failure to pay child support. I could go on & on, but the privilege to drive is not absolute.

If driving is so dangerous, why don't you have to piss in a cup when you get pulled over?

If they think you're under the influence, giving them probable cause (and the "I just had a couple beers" is reason enough) they won't make you piss in a cup or blow into a tube. They'll draw your blood, tying you down, if necessary (and if you refuse, it's another ticket, plus the state presumes you were drunk because of your refusal).

All these things are far more significant than me getting in a car and simply driving.

That's driving without a license, right?

I am not saying the roads should be lawless, nor that driving rights cannot be taken from you.

I'm curious, Prism: when you drive unlicensed, do you obey traffic laws? For example, do you go the speed limit? Do you drive with a BAC under .08%? Do you stop at stop signs and stop lights? If you are, you are tactically acknowledging that the state has the right to regulate and control public roads and those who drive on them.

Driving without a license is, in and of itself, lawless. I just want to know where you draw the line, or if laws a Chinese menu, allowing you to pick one from Column A and two from Column B, ignoring rest of the laws that you don't like.

102 posted on 09/09/2001 10:46:09 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Prism
I am not saying the roads should be lawless, nor that driving rights cannot be taken from you.

That's the same as saying the roads should be lawless.

Speed, drive drunk, drive with burned out headlights. It's a right that can't be taken away from you!

103 posted on 09/09/2001 10:59:31 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Prism
Just realized that I misread your point. My apology.
104 posted on 09/09/2001 11:01:38 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Prism
I think you might find this interesting:

http://taor.agitator.dynip.com/on_law.htm

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105 posted on 09/09/2001 11:03:26 AM PDT by agitator
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To: agitator
Yup. I took the liberty of replicating your work on my homepage, mindprism.com, with full credit of course.

Have you ever tested any of that legal theory on the trust? And what advice would you give someone who wishes to revoke whatever agreement/acknowledgment involve in the original acceptance of a DL?

My state is Michigan, which I believe is still fighting Fed requirements for a SS# on DL (the ONLY state not yet complying). Between that and HIPA requiring all my medical records go to the Fed, DL fingerprinting, facescans, roadblocks, the USSC on arresting people for seatbelts... my trust is thoroughly broken, irreparably so.

They have aggressed.

106 posted on 09/09/2001 11:24:09 AM PDT by Prism
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To: Prism
Well, as far as the fraudulent, constructive trust your car may (underline, bold, italicize, the word "may") have been entered into, no, I have not taken the time to engage the cretins in government on that point yet - I've been busy setting up an internet-only radio network with the hope that it will have a much wider reach than a lonely website. We'll be going live with that in less than two weeks. I'll be doing a show on the subject of driving as a right and the administrative law scam, which I guarantee will be interesting, in the near future.

One of the points I make is that while your car may be in trust, that fraud (if it exists) is defeatable. The first challenge to any traffic charge is that of subject matter jurisdiction. Making statements of un-rebutted fact into the record of any traffic case can defeat any trust involving the car since the state would never admit they conned you into a constructive trust - if in fact, that's what they did. Furthermore, since any administrative law that abrogates a common law right cannot apply to you except in circumstances where there is clearly a nexus between you and the administrative jurisdiction of the agency in question, AND you were actually engaged in a regulateable activity that the agency has actual jurisdiction over at the instant in question, all of those allegedly binding contracts that people get worked up over are void if properly challenged on subject matter jurisdiction grounds.  You are not a proper party subject to any administrative tribunal unless those conditions apply. If they don't, the court lacks subject matter jurisdiction and cannot proceed (although it's going to take some doing to convince them of that.)

My observation has been that you have to rise above the level of the idiot savants that run courts below a superior court before you can find a judge capable of even understanding your argument.

With proper asset protection strategies employed, you need not be personally associated with almost anything involving an interface with local/state/federal government. This doesn't necessarily come as cheap as simple submission however. See http://www.trustbms.com

 

107 posted on 09/09/2001 12:40:40 PM PDT by agitator
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To: Catspaw
All of the phrases, highlighted in bold lettering, are the "socialist phrases," with no constitutional basis, that judges, who are obviously, more interested in protecting the "state's" power versus individual liberty, have spewed through the years in their idiotic decisions.

I hope you gag on them as badly as I do.

"this authority to prescribe reasonable requisites for the "privilege" of driving on the public highways is inherent in state and local govts) State v. Booher (Tenn.Crim.App 1997) 978 SW2d 953"

state has legitimate interest in requiring financial responsibility of drivers) Berberian v. Lussier (1958) 87 RI 226, 139 A2d 869

"...The right to travel granted by the state..."

The legislature has the constitutional police power to ensure safe drivers and safe roads.");

"The right to operate a motor vehicle is wholly a creation of state law; it certainly is not explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution"

It is subject to reasonable regulation by the state, pursuant to the police power granted by the Constitution.

"A] state may rightfully prescribe uniform regulations necessary for public safety and order in respect to the operation upon its highways of all motor vehicles - those moving in interstate commerce as well as others. ... This is but an exercise of the police power uniformly recognized as belonging to the states and essential to the preservation of the health, safety, and comfort of their citizens." Hendrick v. Maryland (1915) 235 US 610"

In the public interest the state may make and enforce regulations reasonably calculated to promote care on the part of all, residents and non-residents alike, who use its highways. ... The state's power to regulate the use of its highways extends to their use by non-residents as well as by residents." Hess v. Pawloski (1927) 274 US 352.

108 posted on 09/09/2001 1:00:45 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti
Hey, once the law is repealed or amended so I don't have to drive without a driver's license, I won't bother driving with one. But I'm not going to waste my time, energy and money on what now seems like a losing court case.

But be my guest--please driving without a license, get arrested and challenge the law. I'll sit back to see if you're successful.

109 posted on 09/09/2001 1:06:36 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I'm curious, Prism: when you drive unlicensed, do you obey traffic laws? For example, do you go the speed limit? Do you drive with a BAC under .08%? Do you stop at stop signs and stop lights? If you are, you are tactically acknowledging that the state has the right to regulate and control public roads and those who drive on them.

Absolutly, but with a few caveats. One, I believe that, on certain offenses, to a certain degree... =)

...that the police do not have the right to execute 'standing orders': Arrest everyone that does X.

This comes from the fourth amendment 'sworn complaint' idea, so in this arena, it would mostly apply to 'moderate speeding', or 'rolling stops'. On the other hand, police do have the right and duty to arrest people who are blatently endangering others- blowing a stop sign, traffic light, etc.

For more on this see - Lawful Arrest FAQ

Ask yourself- If driving is a privilege, how much may the state restrict it? Could it, to fight smog or congestion, reduce your ability to drive? Could it put tolls on the interstates? Could it make driving available to persons over 21 only? Could it not allow children as passengers on motorcycles (they are working on that in PA)? Can they require you to have a SS#? Take your fingerprints? Scan your face? How about a monitor on your car, a little black box from the government? How about denying drug offenders the privilege? Felons?

Who knows huh =)

112 posted on 09/09/2001 2:40:02 PM PDT by Prism
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To: Prism
Ask yourself- If driving is a privilege, how much may the state restrict it? Could it, to fight smog or congestion, reduce your ability to drive? Could it put tolls on the interstates? Could it make driving available to persons over 21 only? Could it not allow children as passengers on motorcycles (they are working on that in PA)? Can they require you to have a SS#? Take your fingerprints? Scan your face? How about a monitor on your car, a little black box from the government? How about denying drug offenders the privilege? Felons?

Who knows huh =)

Hey, if I don't like their rules and regulations, or they get too onerus, I can walk or take the bus, or, as I've done, ride my bike to work (but then, I only live a few blocks from the office). I am not going to drive without a license because I understand the consequences of doing so and the probability that I would win a protacted court battle over having a driver's license are somewhere in the neighborhood of slim to none.

But one should pick their fights wisely, and until someone else wins a case (up to the Supremes) that says I don't need a license to drive, then I won't have one. But this isn't the fight I'd chose to fight. You can, however, and I'll wait until you are arrested for driving without a license. Then you can report your success on your court fight on Free Republic.

And as far as putting tolls on interstates, I guess you haven't driven in and around Chicago. The tolls on interstates are already there.

113 posted on 09/09/2001 3:00:03 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Prism
Excellent work Prism! If a right is infringed (regulated) how can it be a right? The utilitarian argument degrades a right into a privelege. A right is a right and all you have to do exercise it. You don't need permission.

I'm certain that it's been pointed out already that a license for any activity guarantees or certifies NOTHING. It does prove that you paid money to someone for their approval to do something and that is it. In so doing you have made yourself subject to the person(s) and/or laws regulations and policies that they have devised to deprive you of your activity unless you function according to their diktats. You have essentially worked for and purchased your own servitude. Then you deceive yourself into believing that you are now free. Free to conduct whatever activity it is that are now licencsed for.

At some point, people will have to wake up and smell the coffee. Driving, travel and road use laws, regulations and policies are a just a small fraction of the many ways in which the state deprives us of our liberty. They also make an excellent target for resisting the coercion of the state. Monkey-wrench where you can afford to and submit where you can't. You have to start somewhere.

114 posted on 09/09/2001 3:59:58 PM PDT by Hoosier
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To: VW-Cat-Man
Do you personally agree with all the rulings?

In order to do so, I'd have to read the entire cases. If you could, please provide me with links.

If not, I'll look them up tomorrow when I have more time. Right now, I'm making ribs, fries and slaw.

118 posted on 09/09/2001 4:15:55 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Prism
...that the police do not have the right to execute 'standing orders': Arrest everyone that does X.

The police have the right to arrest anyone who breaks the law. If your post was intended to show that regulation of our right to travel is tyrannical, you are usurping the authority of the Supreme Court by deciding for everyone else which laws are constitutional and which laws are unconstitutional. You have the right to your opinions, of course. You also mentioned that you wouldn't put up a fuss if you were caught driving without a license; you are prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions--which, I have to say, is a point in your favor. This is how you've decided to live your life. I happen to live in NC--if you can't hang on to a driver's license, then please continue to ride your bike, or walk, or take public transportation; just keep from behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, please!

When people put into practice their own personal interpretations of the Constitution-- picking and choosing which laws they want to obey and flouting the laws that in their own minds are "unconstitutional"--that is the beginning of anarchy. If you recognize the authority of the U.S. Constitution, then you must recognize the authority of the U.S. Supreme Court and the court system. They have the power and the authority to interpret laws--not you......even when you don't agree with their decisions.

119 posted on 09/09/2001 4:16:05 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: VW-Cat-Man
I'll use he argument. You can't walk along a freeway.

Nope, but I don't have to traverse any freeways to get to work or the supermarket. As I pointed out earlier, I've seen what deer look like when they've been hit by a car or truck going 70 or so mph and walking on an interstate is not something I'd do. I don't want my guts smeared for a few hundred feet along a roadway.

When I said I'd walk, I was relating it to where I live in relationship to where I work and shop. I don't need to drive to go anywhere. I choose to--and I choose to have a driver's license when I do.

120 posted on 09/09/2001 4:19:48 PM PDT by Catspaw
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