Andy Ngo Breaks Down What's Next for Antifa, DOJ Strategy

Few people understand the far-left extremist group Antifa as well as investigative journalist Andy Ngo, author of “Unmasked: Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy.”

He has been beaten, attacked, and nearly killed by Antifa for his undercover reporting of the group’s operations.

In an executive order signed on Sept. 22, President Donald Trump designated the group a domestic terrorist organization. On Oct. 8, the president hosted a roundtable focused on Antifa and invited Ngo and other journalists to participate.

What will it take to actually dismantle Antifa? How is Antifa organized and funded? And what does Ngo make of the broader trends of political violence, from the assassination of Charlie Kirk to the murder of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson?

Ngo is editor at large at The Post Millennial and authors the Ngo Comment substack.

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I was bleeding out from this area under my eyes, bleeding out from my ears, and then bleeding in my brain.
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Andy No is the author of the New York Times bestseller Unmasked Inside Antifa’s radical plan to destroy
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democracy. He’s been beaten, attacked, and nearly killed twice by Antifa for his reporting.
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I hope my my reporting and my suggestions can give investigators some
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potential ideas. Trump recently designated the group as a domestic terror organization in an executive
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order and hosted a roundt with Andy No and other journalists who recounted their experiences.
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You don’t get that level of successful rioting without coordination and they
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were clearly coordinated. They have flyers where to come, where to go. People have died by radical leftists in
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the US. This is American Thought Leaders and I’m Yana Kell
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Andy No. Such a pleasure to have you back on American thought leaders. Thank you.
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You were just at the White House round table on Antifa and the AG Pam Bondi
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talked about, you know, of course it’s been designated a domestic terrorist organization. She talked about taking it
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apart brick by brick, top to bottom. Um, Cash Patel mentioned the FBI director
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that it had been built over a long period of time. How does one actually accomplish this?
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It’s going to be very, very difficult, not easy. Um, I alluded to that in my
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comments to the president and members members of his cabinet.
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Well, what the DOJ can do is there’s several things.
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First, if they take on cases of criminal suspects who are engaging in federal
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crimes relating to rioting and other attacks, that then takes it out of the hands of
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local prosecutors generally because local prosecutors aren’t going to pursue charges against most of these riot cases
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or they give them sweetheart plea deals where there’s no really meaningful
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consequence as we saw in 2020. There’s that. So, I’m not even talking
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about conspiracy charges or anything. Just like assault, arson
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charges that attacks on federal officers, like there are federal crimes that can apply right now. You don’t have
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to be very creative, but more meaningfully taking it apart brick by
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brick as as you were quote just quoted them saying, I think the DOJ should use conspiracy
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charges. They have not used that at any point ever for suspects who are accused
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of being part of Antifa or committing in organized crimes in furtherance of the
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Anifa ideology. But it hasn’t been done before at the state level and
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the state of California versus 12 suspects. That was the case. And
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prosecutors in San Diego alleged that 12 members they had identified were part of
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SoCal Antifa, a regional cell in Southern California that included
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members in LA and Long Beach and San Diego that they had conspired together to carry out violence and rioting on
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Pacific Beach in January 2021. On that day, groups of people came dressed in
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black with their faces covered and they had melee weapons and projectile weapons and they attacked violently people who
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were attending a proTrump rally. The violence was so
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unrestrained that the militants attacked members of the public on the beach.
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People who were walking their dogs, people who were walking nearby. This is during the middle of the day when there were people going to the beach and they
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were affected by the the mace and pepper spray. A woman was beaten to the ground.
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A teenage boy who was underage was assaulted and there were numerous
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victims. A journalist was bashed on the back with uh some type of pole or a
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stick and police were injured. And in this case, the majority of them
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were convicted of felony conspiracy. All 12 were convicted of something, by the way. And because it went to trial,
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the evidence came out. What the prosecutors had, they likely had one one
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person out of the 12 cooperating. That’s my belief. Recover signal chats.
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Everyone had an alias. They coordinated who was coming together, who was leaving together, what
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cause, what to bring. and it showed that there were even some
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left-wing journalists who were in the signal chat who were there. By the way, none of that was particularly surprising
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to me. I knew all that. I wrote a book on Antifa called Unmasked. It was a New York Times bestseller. It came out in
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2021. However, it was surprising in the context that this came out on the record
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in a criminal trial finally. And of course, that case got no national media
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attention at all. So I think the DOJ can really look to that and see because there are federal charges of conspiracy
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that can apply even more creatively. They could potentially even look at racketeering charges because of how some
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of the Antifa networks themselves organize. They operate as a gang
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essentially. They have members. They coordinate together. you typically use
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signal and they have a plan and are instructed
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for how to destroy evidence as well. Now where it gets conf more confusing or
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difficult maybe from prosecutor’s perspective from law enforcement perspective is
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how do you identify those who are in a cell versus somebody who shows up to riot is and is
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not part of the network. There are certain ways to identify that, but the way that Antifa organizes, it’s
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meant to appear as if there is no organization, but there are organized.
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I hope people don’t forget what happened in 2020 when for months, cities like
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Portland and Seattle and other places were besieged by nightly violence by Antifa. Individuals who all dawned the
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same black uniform showed up at the same time dispersed together and carried out
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mass violence and disappeared into the darkness of the night and did it night
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after night after night with local prosecutors essentially doing nothing.
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Even when police did make arrests, in the case of Portland, the district attorney there, Mike Schmidt,
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chose not to prosecute over 90% of them. He just his office, as soon as he came
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into power in August 2020, just had a whole list of riot related crimes that
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he announced his office would not pursue charges on those who are charged with these.
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And at those riots, what I saw, particularly when the federal courthouse in downtown was besieged in an
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insurrection, night after night in July, thousands of people came. They were
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extremely coordinated. At the front were the so-called wall of
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mums. That was all for the cameras. These are anti-fe anti-fun members and their
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supporters who females who would wear yellow shirts, hook arms and had signs
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saying we are mothers, we are moms is for the cameras because of course the
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video cameras and pictures that come out of that in their stories in the legacy media from that time.
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Peaceful protesters. These are just mothers who are um protesting against
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white supremacy and racism and police brutality. fear propaganda. You know who was behind
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them in the and the walls knew this. Behind them was the black block. There
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was a brigade of those who were shining powerful green lasers. There were dozens of them who have these
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lasers. And it’s not like it was one laser for each officer. No, the whole group of 50 would concentrate on one
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person. So when you have I mean your eyes can get injured from one being directed at it. when you have dozens of
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people shining lights and so dozens of officers did suffer pretty serious ice
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injuries at that time. There were those in the back in the black block who
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hurled projectile weapons, things that looked peaceful on camera, like holding
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a water bottle is not particularly threatening, but when it’s frozen and it’s used to hurl at somebody’s face, it
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can be deadly. And that’s what they were doing. They had rocks. They even brought cans of soup. So all these type of
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things that weren’t tech were not actually illegal to have. It’s not illegal to have a bag of rocks in your
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backpack or cans of soup or frozen water bottles. But those are the type of weapons they
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were using. And then they had so-called medics. These are fake medics. These are
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people with homemade printed medic patches. And even their own so-called press. Even
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within the riers, there were those who had homemade press badges that they printed out. And the purpose for that
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was to make police apprehensive of making an arrest, you know, like an attack on on a journalist
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or something like that. And anything that could be used as a
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weapon was some of the weapons included a blade being attached to the end of the
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umbrellas. so they can use that to jab at police.
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And they brought ropes and um electric grinding cutting um tools to cut apart
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the reinforced fencing that was put out put outside the federal courthouse. This fencing, by the way, is was the same
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type of fencing that was used outside the Capitol building after the 6th of
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January. So it’s it’s very heavy duty, but we had thousands of riers working in
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a coordinated fashion and they were able to snap that fence.
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Night after night they were doing this. You don’t get that level of
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successful rioting without coordination. And they were clearly coordinated. They have flyers where to come, where to go.
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So I bring up this example from 5 years ago because I don’t want it to be memory hole. The press would like to but it
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the antifa then are building off what they learned at that time for today.
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And so and part of the lessons that they learned is how do we hide evidence that
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we’re organized. So they have so many tactics, right? They
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will use um they will put their phones in Farra Bay, I think they’re called
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Farra Bays to um block signals so that
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um the towers can’t pick up geoloccation on their devices, which could be used as
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evidence that they were charged with something. um they operate in these ad hoc signal
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groups and some of this evidence came out in an ongoing criminal case out of
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Texas actually north district of Texas. The public and the national press aren’t
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really covering this at all, but in July, over a dozen mass militants with
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tactical gear and firearms shot up the ICE facility in Alvarado,
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Texas, the Prairie Land facility, and an officer was shot in the neck. He
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was very fortunate to survive that. Most of the ambush attackers were
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apprehended that night by local law enforcement. The alleged ring leader, Benjamin Song,
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fled the area. Um, investigators believe that he hid in a forested area around the facility for
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over a day until it was safe for him to flee. Multiple firearms were recovered. They
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came with a cash of weapons. They had a getaway car. Tons of weapons were discovered in the
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car and the ring leader was on the run for
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two weeks and he wasn’t captured until almost 14 days afterward. He was found
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in an Antifa safe house among some of his comrades in Dallas. So, he didn’t go very far. He just stayed in the city
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where his his network was. And I this was an individual who I’ve been tracking through my reporting
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before because he was part of the John Brown Gun Club, which is a name that people should know. That’s a far-left
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militia, a anarchist communist
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militia that teaches its members to use firearms not for self-defense, but in
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furtherance of violence against its perceived enemies and the state.
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And back in 2019, a member of the John Brown Gun Club carried out another shooting attack on an ICE facility. That
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was the Tacoma Ice Facility in Washington State. And this was somebody I had seen before in my reporting
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on Antifa. His name was Villim Fan Bronson. He was
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a Belgian American, naturalized American citizen who was extremely radical. He was older. I believe he was in his um
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late 60s, so he was much older than the average Antifa member, but nevertheless
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extremely ideological and radicalized. Villim FBon showed up with a ghost
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rifle, which is a homemade firearm, so it was unregistered, untraceable, and began shooting up the facility.
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and he had explosive devices with him that he used to set cars on fire outside
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the facility and he was aiming at a huge propane tank that was attached to the
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building and he was shot dead before he was able to blow it up. And before he
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carried out the attack, this John Brown Gun Club member sent out a manifesto to his comrades.
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None of them contacted law enforcement of course, but the contents of that com of that manifesto are posted online and
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shared by Antifa as a template for others to carry out
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similar direct action. And in that manifesto, he describes himself as Antifa. He gives um reverence
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to his trans comrades in particular. And this was 2019, by the way. So, it’s this
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was slightly predating the rise of transifing now.
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Pardon? Pardon me. Which comrades? Trans comrades. Trans comrades. Got it. And towards the end of this manifesto,
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he’s listing out all his grievances against the state and white supremacy,
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things that we’ve all heard before and can expect of a far-left violent militant. But he also includes the
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lyrics of the Italian folk song Bellachow.
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description below. And now back to the interview. You know, you live in London,
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England. Now, tell me the circumstances behind which you had to actually move there.
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Sometimes people think I was being dramatic when I said I had to leave the US for safety reasons. I mean, they
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might not be aware that I nearly died. Took a very long time to
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get some improvements through various forms of therapies through the hospital. um leading up to the 2019 beating where
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they punched me repeatedly on the head and face so hard that I was bleeding out
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from this area under my eyes, bleeding out from my ears. Um
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and then bleeding in my brain, which I didn’t know at the time. They threw all those drinks on me. And you know, these
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are the pictures that people see when they first Google. It’s me covered in these drinks. That was 2019, 2020. I was
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undercover and embedded in these riots and that’s how I gather gathered the
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field research for most of the material for my book. 2021
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I left the country for 6 months and I thought you know maybe it’s time
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to go home. My parents are in Portland. Their health was not great. It was very
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difficult being away from them. So I went back to Portland and I thought
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maybe I can do more reporting. At that point I had received a lot of death threats.
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But for those who are in the public space and they’re effective at what they do, particularly when they are good at
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exposing leftwing extremism, they do get a lot of threats. And at a certain
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point, it’s easy to sort of just accept that as a new normal and not really
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quite register the severity of the threats. I think that’s what happened to
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me. So, in May 2021, I was undercover again in Portland in
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downtown. This was the one-year riot that was organized as an
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anniversary event for what had happened the year prior.
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And the group was smaller and I made a mistake of sticking around
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even though there was probably around 100 people. That’s small enough that the organizers within the group could keep
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an eye out on people who weren’t rioting with them. You’re there in Black Block, but you’re not doing anything. Why?
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There was an antifung member who had attacked me before
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who identified me verbally to others there. So they went up and questioned
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me. At that point I was just thinking how do
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I get out of this? I was a block from the central police station, but to walk in that direction, I would
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have had to walk through dozens of antifon black block and a and a group of them had come up and asked me who I was.
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I started walking away. I heard one of them say, “I think it’s him.”
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And uh those feelings that I was having, it was
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I had never had that type of feeling of dread before. And I was just
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wishing and praying in my head that law enforcement were nearby or undercover or
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around the corner, I’ll see a police car, something, please. And I kept walking and I It was dark. This is 10
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p.m. on a Friday night. So, the shadows are casted long from the light lamps.
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And I could see as I was walking away, trying to remain calm. I was still in black block, covered up, masks. My eyes
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were covered. I could see the shadows of the the group behind me. They were pursuing me.
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Every business was basically closed. This was a year after the rise that ravaged downtown. I mean that finished
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off any businesses that weren’t finished off from CO already. The hotel that was open that I went to
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uh the front doors were locked. Vagrancy had become such a big problem
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at that point that the hotels in downtown didn’t unlock their doors.
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So the person at the front desk didn’t open it for me.
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And the group caught up and in one swoop one of them grabbed at my head and pulled off the
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glo the the sunglasses that I had the ski goggles actually and the
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balaclava and I was completely exposed and I took off running and this video I
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have shared it’s compiled from multiple surveillance cameras in the city and you
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can see me running for my life. I never ran that fast before. or I didn’t know I could run that fast. And I’m running through downtown, sprinting,
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screaming for help. And nobody helped. There were people
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walking around. This was a Friday night, 10 p.m. It’s not that late. Cars were in the middle of the road. I
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ran in the middle of the cars in the streets at the red light, pounding on on like windows and cars asking for help.
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And when the light turned green, they drove off. You can see in the video that
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um the group caught up to me and they tackled me to the ground
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in that I my weight plus the weight of the person on top of me just shredded the
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skin on my leg. Um and then as I tried to get up, some other person ran up in
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black block and just kept punching me until I fell to the ground. And then that person held me in a choke hold
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really hard. And it was seconds in the video. It felt much longer in my mind. Maybe from lack
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of oxygen. I’m not sure. But it was that was my one near death experience. And I
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was just thinking about I was thinking about my family and those I cared and loved. It was like flashing out almost
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like like almost how you would see it maybe in a film like one person after
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another. And I was like, I’m so sorry that I let you down, that I go out this way,
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you know, and I could hear like the rest of the Antifa mob catch up. They were running cuz they I sprinted really fast,
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so they was catching up. I knew if I go unconscious and I’m unconscious on the
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ground there, that group will kill me. This was they were wanting my blood for
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months from all the reporting I did in 2020. All the mug shots I released, all
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the names, all the charges, they wanted me dead.
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And before I passed out from being choked, some journalists ran up. They caught up
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with the group and the person who was holding me in that choke hold, he held me so tight, by the way, that the blood
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vessels in my eyes burst. I was able to get out of that choke hole
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and I ran to the next thing I saw which was the nine’s hotel and the door I saw was open. So I just
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ran in and I was like a mad man. Barely had my breath. I was just I was
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just trying to say the words, “Call police. Call police. Call police.” That’s all I could say. And the staff
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inside the hotel tried to kick me out to the street. And when they said you have to get up,
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I said no. And I sat on the ground. I the only way they were going to get me out is they would had to carry me out. I
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was not going to go back out there cuz the mob now were amassing outside this hotel trying to get in.
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And the hotel staff refused to call police and they said, “You need to wear a
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mask.” They actually pulled out from their drawer a black coin mask and said, “You need to put this now on.” So, I’m
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bloodied. I’m out of breath. I’m screaming. Call police.
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I was so lucky. I looked on my body. I had my phone still. I thought that it was fell out of my pocket when I was
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tackled on the ground. I still had it. So, I used that to call 911.
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And the mob gathered outside the hotel. We’re pounding on the windows trying to break in.
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Nazi, stop. You see my face, Andy? Andy, you see my
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face? You see my face? Andy
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hiding behind the desk. Where the is he now? Where is he? Yeah. Yeah.
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you. you. you.
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You [Applause]
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for you. If I didn’t escape that area and they
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got in, they would have they would have finished what they were trying to do. So, there was a hotel guest who was
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going up the the elevator. He was like, “I’m getting the hell out of here. There’s like this mob outside.” And I ran in after him. And I said, “Please
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let me go up with you.” It’s it was one of those hotel lifts where it requires a car to go up, so I couldn’t just push
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numbers. He said, “Okay.” I went up and I hid in the hotel
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and uh eventually finally a Portland police officer came up to me, escorting
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me out through this back entrance exit that staff used for the hotel. So the mob wasn’t by there. There was an
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ambulance there. There was a police car by ambulance. And then the police escort behind took me to the hospital, the same
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hospital that I was treated two years earlier. And in there I saw online
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in real time all the Antifa accounts because they were live streaming outside the hotel. One of the Antifa members
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she was, you can see in the video, Andy’s in there. Andy’s in there at Nice Hotel right now. And she had was
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threatening me. And so they knew I had left in an ambulance and they were trying to find out which hospital. So
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I very narrowly escaped that. I left Portland immediately the next day on a flight. I went from safe house to safe
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house to safe house until I could arrange where I would go next. And uh
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the death threats continued. Um, nobody was ever arrested over the assault I
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just described or the 2019 one or any of the death threats.
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And uh I
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couldn’t stay in the US anymore. I was on borrowed time. You know, even when I traveled to other
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places, I had been recognized before by hostile people.
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So I I couldn’t live in hiding anymore and it pained me a lot to leave the country
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that my parents found refuge in. It was very weird thought in my mind
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and uh yeah so I’m speaking to you now as
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somebody who’s still essentially in exile for safety reasons. I had this
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opportunity to speak at the at the White House at a round table about my own experiences and what I’ve learned and
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some suggestions I had from the administration. Never thought I’d see that day because I remember for so long
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on this Antifa beat it was like other journalists told me, mentors who I
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looked to, they said, “You should pick a new beat. One, this is really violent. Two, Antifa, they’re just it’s okay.
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It’s a riot. Like that happens. That shouldn’t be your beat. you know, you should focus on something else. Now, I’m
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speaking to you in 2025, many years out from these early days of reporting that I did on Antifa, and you can see the
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glee that is shown whenever a target on the right suffers violence and or death.
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We’ve had two assassination attempts on then candidate Donald Trump and people
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kind of just gloss over that the first assassination attempt resulted in
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somebody being shot in the head and dying in front of his family attending a
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political rally in the United States and that two other people were critically injured. Like people just brush over
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that. Oh, Trump survived it. Let’s move on. Somebody was murdered there and two
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people are lucky to survive. 2025 has been particularly violent for
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the left and it was cheered on completely. I mean right now people are focused on the attacks on ICE because
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that’s directly in front of us. Just a few months ago Tesla stores were being set on fire were being shot up. Like
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people have forgotten that particularly in Portland there was the Tesla store in Portland one had been shot up several
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times and to this day I don’t believe the Portland police have arrested a suspect in the Portland incident. Um
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a Tesla store in Salem, Oregon was fired upon and set on fire. The
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suspect apprehended in that and I was first to report this because the legacy media would not. It’s that suspect’s
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transgender and was part of this radical a trans militia type of group. The left is
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becoming so radicalized and there’s they’re supported by such large um mainstream institutions and cultures
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that people have really normalized that violence and they’re okay with it. And
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and that was really the thesis of my book that came out now four years ago unmasked
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that this violence on the left is being mainstreamed and it’s going to have deadly consequences.
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So tell me about this. Okay. This how is it that it’s being normalized? You know
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you’re you’re you’re talking about the media being involved but the legacy media but there’s more to it than that.
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What how what is it that people are trying to wash their hands of? What is
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that whole thing? You can see some prominent examples of how it’s been normalized in mainstream
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for several years now, but I’ll name some clear examples.
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After the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO,
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that act of murder was celebrated by the left, widely celebrated, and individuals
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online then began dispersing wanted style flyers of other CEOs.
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And when a suspect was apprehended, Luigi Manioni, he’s been made into a hero, a celebrity.
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At all his court hearings in New York City, people show up to cheer him on
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outside the courthouse. When recently the terrorism charges were dismissed at the state level, people had a dance
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party outside. That really reminded me of something
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that I remember in 2020 in Portland as the riots went on by the middle of
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August, a Trump supporter named Aaron Danielson was assassinated in downtown Portland
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by a man named Michael Rhino. And he had a manifesto that was posted
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on Instagram, The Gunman. And in it, this was the quote that was in it. I am
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100% Antifa. And Michael acted as this volunteer
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armed security for the riers in downtown. He fled out
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of state after murdering Aaron Danielson. I remember that night that Mr. Danielson was killed and his body
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laid in the street about couple streets away in front of the
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justice center, which was really the gathering area for the riers every night. It was announced on a bullhorn.
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The victim was described as trash being taken out and a Nazi.
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And then they cheered and they held a dance party.
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There was no condemnation of that at all by anybody in Portland
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of that that that cruel act of celebrating a
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really senseless murder in downtown. And Aaron Danielson was just a private
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individual. He wasn’t a big-time activist or anything. So, his death was really quite overlooked for all these
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years, but he is just one victim of many of
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far-left extremists. And in the aftermath of Mr. Cook’s
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assassination, that same type of
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celebration broke out on not just the radical left. You expect that of them, the far left,
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you expect they’re extreme, the radicalized, but on the mainstream left, those who said
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Mr. Kirk was a fascist that he expressed hatred and that it’s good that he died
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and it would be good if others like him were no longer around.
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There’s a couple of things I want to pick up on. One is dehumanizing rhetoric.
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Um, and I think this is I think what I’m getting from you here is that that
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people are involved in creating this and there’s some complicity there even if they’re not involved in the violence
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itself. And that’s what people might be washing their hands of. Is do I understand that right?
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Yes. And my point in bringing that up is
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I’m not calling for guilt by association criminally. I just mean that
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what do you think happens when day in and day out you participate in a culture
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where your political targets are labeled as genociders
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um as fascists as Nazis as racists white supremacists
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that need to be killed. Do you think when you normalize those
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type of lies against your political target that it you just say it and it just disappears? It just goes away like
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people take that in. And in a country where access to
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firearms and deadly weapons are so easy, it doesn’t take very much for an individual to take direct action. There
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was a shooting on another ICE facility in the state of Texas in Dallas.
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And the gunman in that case wrote an anti-ICE message on a rifle cartridge, had a note allegedly illuminating his
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anti-ICE views from a left-wing perspective, killed one person who was
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actually a detainee migrant and injured two others detaining migrants.
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He was trying to kill ICE Asians. The second thing is, is it your
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contention that all of these, the attacks on ice, the burning of the courthouse in Portland, the San Diego
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situation, that all of these are somehow connected, somehow coordinated even
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because some of the coordination at least at the in each individual instance
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seem to be quite uh advanced, I would say. Right. But I think you’re
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suggesting there’s something bigger happening. It’s more so ideological
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crosspollination which is actually very important to the
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agendas and goals of the violent militant left. They all share common enemy. It’s
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people like you and I. It’s people who believe in the institutions of America who believe in the idea of America and
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our constitution. They want to see it destroyed. They would like to see themselves put in
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power. And how they envision society next is different, but they’re not too
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concerned with getting to that point yet. It’s much easier to destroy and attack. Now the far-left and Antifa is
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unique in a way in that Antifa encourage their supporters to get
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arrested, to be violent, get arrested, get it captured on camera. One, for propaganda purposes, but two, to get
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individuals to become party to lawsuits, lawfare against police departments and
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cities. And in liberal jurisdictions, the Democratun city council will vote to
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settle, settle, settle. 1 million, no problem. 10 million, no problem. 20
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million, no problem. Cities across America have settled. So those who were
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arrested for rioting get rewarded with money. So the funding comes from all
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these places. And there’s also an international element as well, which I’ve been
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discussing a lot. um in the capital here, the International Antifa Defense Fund, which
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takes money from donors all over the world to provide cash support to Antifa
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militants internationally. So,
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it’s it’s not all clandestine. That’s my point.
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You can see the cash app accounts, the Venmo accounts. You don’t obviously see who’s donating. and they’re all choosing
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to hide their donation, but how it’s being done is in the open or through
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these nonprofits that get money. You can pull up their tax funds. You can see where they get the money. A lot of it is from the state, Oregon, Washington. It’s
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run completely by Democrats. They can decide how to disperse grant money and they give it to people on the radical
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left quite often. Tell me this. Okay.
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How does it feel to be sitting at the round table in front of the president of
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the United States telling your story having the attorney general of the
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United States say they’re going to take apart this I don’t know if organization or
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decentralized grouping of cells or however you would describe it.
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It was very hard to believe and I was overwhelmed with feelings of gratitude.
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Myself and others have suffered a lot for reporting on this beat and for a
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long time it fell on deaf ears. We finally have an administration that
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as busy as it is dealing with things domestically, internationally,
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found time to get us together to invite me along to share what I know.
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It’s going to be really hard for them to dismantle these networks legally,
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criminally, and on the PR front as well. Immediately when Trump had signaled a
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few weeks ago that he was going to designate Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, the media machine fell
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into what you would expect, which is to
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deny that Antifa is organized, deny that Antifa exists, and to blame the victims
40:39
of their violence for what happened to them.
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It’s their playbook. Um, I want to say it’s disgusting, but I I’ve almost kind of moved on from that
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view. It’s more so it’s a it’s a depravity that I don’t I don’t want to think about anymore.
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It’s to be expected. And
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I hope my my reporting and my suggestions can give
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investigators some potential ideas for tools for what they can use to dismantle
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these networks because they’re going to go underground. We’re seeing a bit of it. Some of the Antifa accounts have began deleting their social media
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presence. The International Antifa Defense Fund announced that it was shutting down and relocating its operations to another country.
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Some individuals have left the US.
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I think Antifa is they’re going to try to lay low, depend on the media to run
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cover for them, and hope that they get a Democrat in office again. If there was one or a
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couple of things that you would want the average American to know
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about Antifa that they probably have no idea about right now, what would that be?
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I think the question that an average American, and I’m speaking to let’s say maybe a normie, someone not politically
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plugged in or they’re liberal, the question you should ask yourself is
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when these people claim to be anti-fascist, the follow-up question
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should be and in in furtherance of what?
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If you take them at face value, then you have to ask them, “You’re against this, but what are you for?” And what Antifa
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is for is violence, destruction, murder, the abolishment of the liberal
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democratic order. So, it’s quite actually ironic in many ways that Antifa
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act as shock troops for people who claim to care about those institutions and
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values and concepts. I would just ask people to
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you don’t have to listen to my own words but perhaps watch some of the videos of some of these violence and you can see how organized it is.
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Watch that and then ask yourself what is that in furtherance of
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well Andy know it’s such a pleasure to have had you on again. My pleasure.
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Thank you all for joining Andy No and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I’m your host, Ya Kellik.
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