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Israel Takes Control of Iran’s Skies—a Feat That Still Eludes Russia in Ukraine. Power mismatch in Israel-Iran war shows importance of air superiority.
WSJ ^ | June 15, 2025

Posted on 06/16/2025 7:34:06 AM PDT by Words Matter

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1 posted on 06/16/2025 7:34:06 AM PDT by Words Matter
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To: Words Matter

There’s a huge difference in blowing up infrastructure and taking and holding ground, so it’s not a fair comparison.

Thankfully, all that is required in Iran is to blow up large, fixed, assets and kill targeted people.

No nation building needed. Although regime change — homegrown in Iran — would be great. We don’t need to steer it. Anything that comes in is unlikely to be worse.


2 posted on 06/16/2025 7:37:58 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: Words Matter

El Al could fly Rabbis through Iran air space at this point.


3 posted on 06/16/2025 7:38:35 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Trump failure: Not declaring Antifa a terrorist organization.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

+1


4 posted on 06/16/2025 7:41:23 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 88: Mohammed consummated the marriage when she was 9 and he was 54)
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To: NoLibZone

Airdrop kippot!


5 posted on 06/16/2025 7:41:43 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 88: Mohammed consummated the marriage when she was 9 and he was 54)
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To: Words Matter

This is a huge, and important distinction.

It is hard to decisively win a war without control of the airspace.

It is also hard for a regime to survive a war without control of its own airspace.

It can be done - but hard to survive with an intact infrastructure and manufacturing capability.


6 posted on 06/16/2025 7:46:19 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MeanWestTexan

Yeah. Apples are still not oranges.


7 posted on 06/16/2025 7:50:17 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (ZWhat do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The point of the article is how not achieving air superiority leads to protracted ground warfare. Russia cannot even drop conventional bombs on Ukraine so it must grind through ground troops to kill Ukrainians.

Israel has now switched from expensive standoff longer range missiles to far cheaper and plentiful gravity devices, drones, and short range missiles.

If Russia had established air superiority the war would have ended at the outset. But as the WSJ says thanks to US warnings Ukraine was able to reposition and hide its air superiority weapons and force Russian aircraft out of Ukrainian airspace.


8 posted on 06/16/2025 8:01:15 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Words Matter
That is a feat that the giant Russian air force has been unable to achieve in Ukraine in 3½ years of war.

Not for lack of trying.

Russia has a lot of fighter jets and perhaps bombers, but, they are easily shot down, and Putin doesn't want to suffer any other major losses in his military, with very little to show for it.
9 posted on 06/16/2025 8:10:52 AM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: MeanWestTexan

I would think with air superiority the IDF could drop in men and weapons to dismantle the underground nuke facility…..no?
Is the underground facility near a city?


10 posted on 06/16/2025 8:18:21 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy ( )
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To: Words Matter

We gave them bunker buster bombs, time to use them!

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran


11 posted on 06/16/2025 8:24:01 AM PDT by baclava
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I am not sure of their aerial refueling capabilities but even then, they have to return home to re-arm.

True superiority requires them to take and hold an airbase so that they can re-arm, refuel, and loiter at will.


12 posted on 06/16/2025 8:27:24 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Words Matter

On the 2nd day no less. Israel takes it military strategy from the U.S., not a Soviet satellite.


13 posted on 06/16/2025 8:29:35 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Words Matter
Whoever wrote this is a moron.

Russia is fighting a war against NATO (and winning it). Israel, with our help, is fighting third-rate military.

14 posted on 06/16/2025 8:36:13 AM PDT by Kazan
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Vince Vance And The Valiants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U


15 posted on 06/16/2025 8:58:51 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Kazan
Russia is fighting a war against NATO (and winning it).

That is a dubious way to assert "winning."

Perhaps you meant it to be spelled: p – y – r – r – h – i – c


16 posted on 06/16/2025 9:12:31 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: Kazan

“”””Russia is fighting a war against NATO (and winning it).””””

You don’t think that if American and the rest of NATO armed forces and Air Forces joined the fight, things might look a little different than just Ukraine having to fight North Korea and Russia alone?


17 posted on 06/16/2025 9:47:58 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: MeanWestTexan

Russia sucks at coordinated air ground combat anybody paying attention for the last 3 years knows that. This further means they suck at modern warfare. Coupled with the threat of complete oblivion of they go nuclear. I bet they lose the war they could have won if they understood modern tactics which they don’t.


18 posted on 06/16/2025 10:21:23 AM PDT by datricker (Go Trump/Vance!)
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To: Words Matter

It’s air supremacy now, not mere air superiority.


19 posted on 06/16/2025 10:29:07 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Words Matter

Israel is God’s chosen nation, Russia is not. Simple explanation.


20 posted on 06/16/2025 10:56:58 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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