Posted on 06/04/2025 7:36:16 AM PDT by dennisw
Only outlaws will drive gas powered vehicles.
I put the key in and turn it....and the engine starts.
packrat35 wrote: “All these states are the ones preventing new electric plants and are already having some trouble keeping the lights on. What do they think will happen if all cars are electric?”
If you can’t charge your car, then take the bus.
If the bus isn’t running, use your bicycle.
If it’s too far to bicycle, then you need to sell your house and move into the city center where you can walk to work.
What? No makeup/lipstick/shampoo/hair spray sent to NJ? The housewives would burn the state down!
Absolutely.
The usual suspects. Big Government nannie states.
Plug N Play
ain’t No Joke,
Drop the Soap
Take a Poke!
ICE fans will have to go to neighboring states to buy these. Dealers in Wisconsin can offer free shipping of lawnmowers to the state lines. Or maybe right to your house. Can the Minnesota clown governate ban shipments of ICE lawnmowers into Minnesota? This would be unconstitutional and against the Interstate Commerce Clause.
CA will most definitely refuse to register them.
How I know this? CA does the same to diesels 2009 and older in this state, if registered to a business. No one stopped them. Put a lot of companies under with their shit.
““So stop shipping any petroleum based products to them immediately”
2 of the biggest refineries on the east coast are in New Jersey (Linden & Paulsboro). They supply gasoline and other petroleum products to numerous states east of the Mississippi.
No it’s not. Our governor removed us from that fiasco.
Not It's gonna happen unless because they relish shooting themselves in both feet.
I thought he said he wasn’t able to with Democrat Congress. Good to know that he managed to do so. Thank you.
I agree with your logic.
Does the Left plan on ALL places of employment to be in the city, walkable from wherever the mass transit station is located? How will "walks to work" go in northern states where they still receive snowfall and -30F windchills in the winter?
Lou L wrote: “Does the Left plan on ALL places of employment to be in the city, walkable from wherever the mass transit station is located? How will “walks to work” go in northern states where they still receive snowfall and -30F windchills in the winter?”
Two points.
First, remember that the political base of the liberal left resides in urban areas on the coasts. Consequently, they live in close proximity to their, or similar, work places. Therefore, walking to work or taking mass transit, is completely conceivable.
Second, there was a study (wish I remember the actual source) performed to identify exactly what would be required if the UK were to reach it’s climate goals. The study concluded:
- no private ownership of automobiles.
- almost all would be relocated into the cities where they could walk/bicycle/mass transist to work.
- housing would be limited to high rise, small, apartments. Think 800 square feet for a family of four.
- the only ones remaining in the rural areas would be those doing government conservation work or actual farming using sustainable practices.
- Families would be limited to one airline flight per life time.
They're literally taking away the freedom to travel--I guess that's too much an "impact" on climate, that only the Gates-Thunbergs and Gores will be able to see the world. In the UK, forget about travel to the rest of the EU.
Such an implementation would be a disaster.
Lou L wrote: “Such an implementation would be a disaster.”
Of course it would be a disaster. The objective of those goals is the replacement of our world as it currently exists with a their dream world.
“I wonder if the automobile equivalent of the LED bulb will arrive on the scene”
Yes it will. China already has vehicles capable of 5 minute charges, no cobalt or nickel and they are the only packs to pass the steel spike test. They are the BYD blade packs they also cannot burn LFP cells don’t burn easy and with the fire retardants in the bladepack they cannot burn.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSGESKhtZD0
Watch the spike test it speaks for itself, this is a fully charged cell it shorts out as any cell would when a steel spike is rammed through it but it just sits there and heats up slight but under the temp to even catch paper on fire.
https://insideevs.com/news/758625/byd-megawatt-charging-demo-china/
People need to realise China is electricity rich and liquid hydrocarbons poor , and they have high density cities linked by high speed electrified rail second to none in speed. They are building 150 gigawatt scale reactors in the next 10 years. They already lead the world in solar production in megawatt hours per year they even exceed nuclear power worldwide for the first time last year in total terawatts generated. So they have the grid capacity for every vehicle to be electric and use V2G and time of use control via dynamic rates. You tell your car to only charge of power is under X cents per kWh when it is it starts charging and stops when full or the rate offered is higher than the set point. 4/5G makes this a second by second market place all in real time. Given that a 300+ miles EV holds more than a weeks worth of range for most drivers more in China where they don’t drive the average 40 or under every day. China is 9.4km in megacities and 8.7 in regular million person cities. So you only need 2-8 hours per week or less of actual charging time. 43kW L2 3p GBT will do it in 2 hours even a 32amp single phase will do it in 8.
Last time I was in Shanghai more than half of the cars sold where EVs they have a 95% condo,apartment housing rate less than 5% have single family homes. There were level 2 charging poles,boxes and plugs literally everywhere. Every corner of every parking lot had dozens of charge points this was at every condo, apartment, and stores everywhere they were ubiquitous.
They have a proper grid 400 volt triple phase is everywhere.Why because 400v 3p hot to hot is 240v single phase hot to neutral which is the standard current there and the EU. They don’t have a 19th century archaic 120v split phase monstrosity that North America has. So it’s super easy to drop 400v 3p everywhere and their GBT standard fully uses that for L2 charging the plugs have the conductors needed for it unlike the NACS Tesla plug that only has two hot conductors. GBT is rated for 62 amps on each of three phases that’s over 40kW that fills a 75kWh pack in two hours from zero. 75kWh is 375 miles in my Model 3 well over a weeks worth of daily driving. In km thats 600, and with a avg distance of 8.7km that’s 68 days worth of driving for the average chinaman who would need a single 2 hour charge at any point in that time to fill back up. With L2 poles and boxes literally everywhere it’s not even a trivial issue.
Plus there are HVDC L3 250,500 and now 1000kW chargers at huge state owned stations all along the major motorways we saw Bucees sized HVDC stations with 50 or more spots and two guns per pedestal. They use megapacks also made by BYD to feed those pedestals each 20’ shipping container sized pack is 6.4 megawatt hours, each one is 4C rated so 25 one megawatt pedestals can be discharged from each. They charge them with 3phase at well under a MW the packs handle the peaks, Tesla uses the same system to do their V3 supercharger when the grid doesn’t have 7200+ volt triple phase on-site.
LFP are a stopgap until aluminum graphite or graphene cells get to fill production. LFP do 3000-6000 full 100% DOD to an 80% SOH and tens of thousands of 40% DOD cycles. LFP dont need to be held at 80% like NMC so you run them 100-60% and get 10,000 cycles out of them. 40% of a 600km pack is 240km or 27 days of average use in a dense city. 10,000 cycles at 240km each is 2.4million km way past anything normal Kg people will drive in a lifetime actually. LFP cells like bladepacks also calender age slowly 10+ years life under warranty. They work from -40 to +70C and keep 80% of capacity at -30C once warmed up they lose zero it’s just the kinetics are slower cold. Fe and P are common earth elements, Norway just found a 500+ year supply of P in a single fjord. It is all irrelevant once Algp gets into full production.
Even without Al cells CATL who makes BYD and Tesla cells has a 1000km pack that 4C charges to full that’s 15 min which is irrelevant with a 1000km total range no one drives 1000km then stops for 15 min and drives another 1000km it’s academic at that point. Realistic is a 500km road trip and a stop for at least food and blood circulation to avoid DVT. 7.5 min at 4C fulls that CATL pack back up.
https://www.catl.com/en/news/6239.html
The DOD is already getting these type cells for drones and other uses. 250,000 cycles , huge temp range, zero flammable electrolyte. They improved the energy density the power density was already 400 amps per gram Al-ion cells are now in the 160wh/kg range in open knowledge the DOD ones are classified so probably double that. These Al cells are the ones that kill every other power storage tech for everything from smart phones , laptops, grid storage, drones, UUVs, yes even EVs with a -40 to +120C range there is no where on earth they cannot be used without active thermal management at that. Aluminum is the most common metal on earth it’s 1/6 of the total mass of the entire crust nearly every rock has some aluminum in it other than carbonates.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5733111/
What would instantly change the automaker market here would be allow BYD to sell its 5 passenger plug in hybrid that is $15,000USD. This is not a golf car sized car it’s a mid sized sedan as large as a ford fusion or Hyundai sonata.
This changes everything. Why because most people in America drive 36 miles or less fully 95% of all trips are under 36 miles total according to the NHTSA. That means cheap plug power for every one of those trips but when you need to go on avg twice per year road trip this 1300 mile hybrid easily does that. It’s 80km plug in range covers 99% of all drives by distance per day in the USA the magnitude of that should be readily apparent. And being a BYD this car already has the ultra safe fire proof Bladepack and LFP cells for long life that is what BYD does. Mexico is getting these cars , I plan on using a LLC to plate one in Mexico and drive it across the border under NAFTA law.
https://www.cbtnews.com/byd-unveils-sedans-with-1300-mile-range-shaking-up-the-auto-market/
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