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Conservatives Go to War — Against Each Other — Over School Vouchers
ProPublica ^ | Jul 1, 2024 | Alec MacGillis

Posted on 07/10/2024 4:35:50 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Drive an hour south of Nashville into the rolling countryside of Marshall County, Tennessee — past horse farms, mobile homes and McMansions — and you will arrive in Chapel Hill, population 1,796. It’s the birthplace of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, who helped found the Ku Klux Klan. And it’s the home of Todd Warner, one of the most unlikely and important defenders of America’s besieged public schools.

And yet, one May afternoon in his office, under a TV playing Fox News and a mounted buck that he’d bagged in Alabama, he told me about his effort to halt Republican Gov. Bill Lee’s push for private school vouchers in Tennessee. Warner’s objections are rooted in the reality of his district: It contains not a single private school, so to Warner, taxpayer money for the new vouchers would clearly be flowing elsewhere, mostly to well-off families in metro Nashville, Memphis and other cities whose kids are already enrolled in private schools. Why should his small-town constituents be subsidizing the private education of metropolitan rich kids? “I’m for less government, but it’s government’s role to provide a good public education,” he said. “If you want to send your kid to private school, then you should pay for it.”

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The response from voucher proponents to the resistance from fellow Republicans has taken several forms, all of which implicitly grant the critics’ case that voucher programs currently offer little benefit to rural areas. In some states, funding for vouchers is being paired with more money for public schools, to offer support for rural districts. In Ohio, voucher advocates are proposing to fund the construction of new private schools in rural areas where none exist, giving families places to use vouchers.

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To: MayflowerMadam

I agree in substance.

It isn’t going to happen in one move though. If this really is the only problem with Lee’s plan, then opponents made a terrible mistake.

I’m sorry. That’s the truth. The vouchers must be setup first. Then, from there, tweak them, until the government system including its evil money is completely gone.

The United States needs a wall of separation between education and state.


21 posted on 07/10/2024 5:24:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Doesn’t a voucher cover the cost of the private school? The school has to get paid by some method. If not via our taxes, than how? Most aren’t teaching out of the kindness of their hearts, and there’s overhead.

No, vouchers do not usually cover the entire cost of a private school. Vouchers may cover the cost in some cases.

Private schools cost much less than public schools.

That is the point.

Private schools can educate children at a far lower cost than public schools.

Private schools can offer a far better education at a far lower cost, because of numerous mandates on public schools for everything from pushing the Trans/homosexual agenda to insane costs for public school buildings, to highly inflated teachers saleries and benefits.

When a child is educated at a private school, that is one less child educated at far greater cost, at a public school, thus tax dollars are saved.

22 posted on 07/10/2024 5:26:26 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: Alberta's Child

I agree, the article all but stated as such.(jobs and free lunches are mentioned) However the end result remains the same.

We are not yet at the point where we can go about defeating Democrats when it comes to their ability to manufacture new democrat voters.

First, we need to defeat the republicans. How else would I say this.


23 posted on 07/10/2024 5:27:59 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Love your tagline.

We can "activist our way out".

It is how the left has gained control.

There are more of us than there are of them.

24 posted on 07/10/2024 5:28:54 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: Lurker
it’s government’s role to provide a good public education

fascism.

25 posted on 07/10/2024 5:30:47 AM PDT by Theophilus (covfefe)
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To: Maris Crane
What part of

"It is insane to think we can hand our children to progressives and then end up with a legal system that will not engage in lawfare against our judges."

is hard for you to understand? Do I need to write it in reverse?

It is logical to think we hand our children to progressives and then end up with a legal system that will engage in lawfare against our judges.

Every person involved is indoctrinated.

26 posted on 07/10/2024 5:31:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: marktwain

Todd Warner needs to start his private school. He needs to let the Public part of school die out. And make it a REAL local curriculum and get away from the NEA and the Agencies that seek to control schools in Washington D.C. Heck, I would reach a redemptive version of General Nathan Bedford Forrest and NAME the school after this guy. There IS another story of the guy that is NOT taught in public schools. Come on TODD, get your head out of the sand. General Forrest needs you. His was the LARGEST funeral in New Orleans, LA attended in respect, mostly by negroes who were slaves.


27 posted on 07/10/2024 5:32:31 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I keep saying this; people don’t know what they’re asking for. Today you can send your kid to a private school, or a somewhat good public school and keep them away from the, uh, er, trouble makers. In a true voucher system where are you going to go when the trouble makers get the vouchers to go to your relatively good, safe school? To put it bluntly, it’s not just the white kids who will get these vouchers.


28 posted on 07/10/2024 5:47:37 AM PDT by suthener ( )
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Misleading headline. There are no conservatives who argue in favor of government schools.

If some juvenile must be placed in a government institution in order to learn, go ahead and call that institution by the old name, “reformatory,” and lock them in.


29 posted on 07/10/2024 6:38:32 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Lurker

Byron Donald’s wife is an education powerhouse.


30 posted on 07/10/2024 7:02:21 AM PDT by cnsmom
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To: ProgressingAmerica
America’s besieged public schools.

Besieged? They need to be abolished.

31 posted on 07/10/2024 7:04:04 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: suthener
when the trouble makers get the vouchers

Private schools have the option of expelling the troublemakers. Government schools do not.

32 posted on 07/10/2024 7:09:40 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
"“I’m for less government, but it’s government’s role to provide a good public education,” "

What a stupid lie. The Northwest Ordinance for example sets aside land for education, but the first government schools didn't exist anywhere in the country for generations afterwards. It was universally understood that the education would be done by private Christian schools. So his notion that government is the proper entity to be indoctrinating children is anti-American, totalitarian hogwash.

His kind needs to be primaried and sent the way of the dodo bird. Speaking of someone who endured their entire childhood in those hellholes they call government "schools."

33 posted on 07/10/2024 7:13:24 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“as” not “of” - my feelings towards my school years are the same as Aragorn’s opinion of Moria. “I too have passed the doors of Durin. But the memory is very evil.”


34 posted on 07/10/2024 7:15:09 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: jeffersondem

He WAS the first leader. He left when the Klan became murderous.


35 posted on 07/10/2024 7:18:05 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Memo to Todd Warner

Pass the Voucher Bill and the Private Schools will come.


36 posted on 07/10/2024 7:31:03 AM PDT by Auslander154 ("Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

There is zero evidence Forrest founded the KKK. He was always publicly against it.


37 posted on 07/10/2024 7:37:30 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: cowboyusa
“He WAS the first leader. He left when the Klan became murderous.”

He was neither a founder or the first leader. Even Wikipedia, hardly pro-Forrest, got that right.

Says Wikipedia: “The first Klan was founded in Pulaski, Tennessee, on December 24, 1865,[23] by six former officers of the Confederate army:[24] Frank McCord, Richard Reed, John Lester, John Kennedy, J. Calvin Jones, and James Crowe.[25]”

Some do claim that they know for certain that Forrest was later the secret leader of the secret organization.

I'd like to see his signed membership application and read the sworn testimony of two credible witnesses to his secret membership.

38 posted on 07/10/2024 8:06:31 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: ProgressingAmerica

If you like your public school you can keep your public school


39 posted on 07/10/2024 8:07:10 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: jeffersondem

He was the first Grand Wizzard.


40 posted on 07/10/2024 8:09:36 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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