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To: VanShuyten
No offense, but I don't see the beneficial use of hypotheticals with this particular argument - since it is genuine conflict, ongoing for decades, and complex in its origin and history.

For 76 years, Israel has enjoyed huge military, intelligence and technical advantages. So either its military/intel framework is abysmally incompetent, or there is another (undefined) objective at work here.

74 posted on 07/08/2024 3:40:37 PM PDT by yelostar (TRUMP and only TRUMP 2024)
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To: yelostar

Yeah, IDF General Staff, INSS, unelected Supreme Court and Kaplan Force are willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of Israeli lives to impose God-hating socialist self-styled Ashkenazi aristocracy on Israel regardless of election results.


75 posted on 07/08/2024 3:52:21 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: yelostar

Wait a minute - 1st you complain that the Israelis are unfairly competent, then you complain (in the next sentence!) that they are either “abysmally incompetent, or there is another (undefined) objective at work here.”

That’s not gonna wash.

Further thoughts:

The Palis are just the tip of the spear, while the Israelis are mostly (mostly) their own spear. Even looking at backers doesn’t change this: If the mullahs in Iran find it to advance their objectives, they’ll burn every Pali, every Houthi, and more. The US, under any President since we began significantly supporting Israel, would not do such to Israel, hell, we would not even do it to those Iranian surrogates.

Yes, I keep in mind that the purpose of a military is to kill people and break things, should it’s deterrent objective fail.

Observation additionally shows that a significant number of Palis (and Muslim terrorists in general) are only deterred by one thing: Their own death B4 they accomplish their objectives. This is the on the ground types, not the leadership. The leadership usually value their own lives, but no one else’s.

Also it must be kept in mind that most of the Pali “missions” over the years have been suicide missions, whether immediately (suicide bomber) or otherwise. (Raiders getting cut down on the beach is but one example.) The Israelis are not suicidal.

And most of all: Proportionality arguments are nonsense.


77 posted on 07/08/2024 5:55:21 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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