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Terrified of ‘escalation,’ Biden is being bluffed into losing Ukraine to Putin
Nypost ^ | 06/21/2024 | Post Editorial Board

Posted on 06/21/2024 5:43:04 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: SoConPubbie

“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”

Statement by William Colby, Director of the CIA during Church Committee Hearings, 1975

[found on FR or TCH - not verified]


21 posted on 06/21/2024 6:45:28 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
So you would have cheered a nuclear stake by Ukraine?

You really are clueless cuck as to the ramifications of that happening.

22 posted on 06/21/2024 6:46:47 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: hardspunned
....to begin the unprovoked proxy war against Russia in 2014.

Just who invaded whom in 2014? Hmmmm? Nobody recalls Ukrainian troops making a drive toward Moscow. Nobody.

23 posted on 06/21/2024 6:48:52 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (Your insults are my rocket fuel. More please!)
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The 2024 Biden military aid of munitions and weaponry to Ukraine and Israel follows a long list of US weaponry to these two countries.

There’s Biden’s 2023 arms handout to Israel:
<><>57,000 155mm artillery shells
<><>more than 5,000 Mk82 unguided or “dumb” bombs,
<><>more than 5,400 Mk84 2,000 pound warhead bombs,
<><>around 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs,
<><>approximately 3,000 JDAMs, which turn unguided bombs into guided “smart” bombs,
<><>BLU-109 bunker busters w/ 2,000 pound warheads designed to penetrate concrete shelters.

There’s Obama’s $38 billion deal that covers fiscal years 2019-2028 that includes:
<><>-annual US payments to Israel of $3.3 billion in “military financing,”
<><>-$500 million a year for Israel’s missile defense operations in the Negev, a foreign aid first,
<><>-A phasing-out of Israel’s decades-long “special arrangement”
<><>ie. Israel used 26.3% of US aid on its own global defense industry (not on US-made weapons).
<><>-Eliminates Israel using some 13% of US aid to buy military fuel.
<><>-will allow Israel to update “the lion’s share” of its fighter aircraft,
<><>includes purchasing additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.
<><>Israel is to initially receive thirty-three F-35 aircraft,
<><>the first two F-35’s will be delivered in December.

The (a) weaponry build-up from Obama 2018 into 2028, (b) follows the $30 billion weaponry deal Israel signed in 2007, which expires at the end of fiscal 2018, and (c) a systematic buildup of Israeli arms, like this one in 2015.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/israel-joint-direct-attack-munition-tail-kits-and-munitions

ISRAEL – JOINT DIRECT ATTACK MUNITION TAIL KITS AND MUNITIONS
Defense Security Cooperation Agency
Media/Public Contact
pm-cpa@state.gov
Transmittal No 15-36

WASHINGTON, May 19, 2015
As required by US law, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale to Israel on May 18, 2015: Joint Direct Attack Munition Tail Kits, munitions, and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $1.879 billion.

The Government of Israel has requested:
<><>14,500 KMU-556C/B Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) tail kits
<><>consisting of 10,000 for Mk-84;
<><>500 for Mk-83;
<><>and,4,000 for Mk-82;
<><>3,500 Mk-82 bombs; 4,500 Mk-83 bombs;
<><>50 BLU-113 bombs;
<><>4,100 GBU-39 Small Diameter bombs;
<><>1,500 Mk-83 Paveway kits;
<><>700 BLU-109 Paveway kits;
<><>3,000 AGM-114K/R Hellfire Missiles,
<><>250 AIM-120C Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles;
<><>and 500 DSU-38A/B Detector Laser Illuminated Target kits for JDAMs.

The proposed sale of this equipment will provide Israel
<><>the ability to support its self-defense needs
<><>enable Israel to maintain operational capability of its existing systems
<><>and will enhance Israel’s interoperability with the United States.

Israel already has these munitions in its inventory, and will have no difficulty absorbing the additional munitions into its armed forces.


All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department’s Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

Although these weapons are labeled as “sales,” in at least one known instance, when it came time to pay, Israel got Congress to change the “sale” to a “gift.”

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24 posted on 06/21/2024 6:52:15 PM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name . )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Someone needs to give the Post Editorial Board a rifle and a plane ticket to Ukraine.


25 posted on 06/21/2024 6:52:27 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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cont

Biden and the Democrats are arming foreign countries left and right, but grabbing guns from Americans is an obsession w/ them. The same “Congress” that gleefully tramples 2A rights, is hell bent on supplying weapons to foreign countries.


Not content w/ the mega billions already in his pocket, Zelensky now says
he wants US tax dollars to Ukraine “according to the Israeli model”......here’s what he means:

Congressional Research Service
US Foreign aid to Israel
60 page detailed report

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33222/44

The concerned Israeli lobby made sure Congress is required by law to ensure that U.S. military aid in the Middle East region doesn’t damage Israel’s military superiority over its neighbors. That requirement enjoys broad bipartisan support and has served as a benchmark for ensuring Israel receives robust U.S. support.

Biden keeps gaslighting Americans about the “need” for
American foreign aid tax dollars to Ukraine and Israel.
Here’s why they DONT need it:

About $113.1 billion in tax dollars were authorized in 2022 for Ukraine, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. Most of it–about $67.1 billion–was defense-related. The other $46 billion included:
<><>$26.9 billion for economic support;
<><>$7.9 billion for international disaster assistance;
<><>$6.6 billion in assistance for refugees;
<><>$1.5 billion for assistance for Europe, Eurasia and Central Asia;
<><>plus $3.1 billion for other non-defense spending.

US tax dollars helped Ukraine
<><>pay the salaries of 618,000 educators, 517,000 health workers, and 56,500 first responders
<><>helped sustain critical healthcare services,
<><>helped meet pension responsibilities for 9.8 million people,
<><>assisted 1.3 million internally displaced persons,
<><>provided housing assistance to 4.1 million people,
<><>provided social assistance to 240,000 low-income families
<><>helped subsidize 480,000 persons with disabilities,
<><>bought supplies for farmers,
<><>financed finding markets for small business.


Backstory: Since 1973, Israel has received more than $120 billion US tax
dollars in MILITARY assistance alone, including “three special aid” packages.
<><>billions for signing the Israel-Egypt peace treaty
<><>billions for Israel’s withdrawal from the Sinai.
<><>billions for redeployment of Israeli forces
<><>rebuilding Israeli air bases in the Negev cost $5 billion.
<><>Negev is Israel’s nuclear weaponry site.
Besides weaponry, Israel also receives economic and humanitarian foreign aid, which supports broad economic development and sociopolitical stability and can include non-military support related to the country’s pressing security needs.

Military aid from US taxpayers has blanketed Israel over the years. They have more than enough resources, now, to nail Hamas and Hezbollah. Wealthy Israel has very low debt, and actually had a budget surplus this year, while the US is $33 trillion in debt, a debt which future generations are saddled with.


26 posted on 06/21/2024 6:56:32 PM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name . )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I read that Russia has hundreds of thousands of big (1000 pounds+ of explosive) dumb bombs that it is putting el cheapo guidance systems on.

It may be necessary to shut off GPS worldwide to make the bombs less accurate.


27 posted on 06/21/2024 7:01:41 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: hardspunned

“Just give the Ukes nukes!”

Giving a nation that lacks them nuclear weapons is a violation of international law.


28 posted on 06/21/2024 7:05:44 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“2014”

There was an untrustworthy election.

The pro-Russian guy apparently won.

Many pro-EU Ukrainians in and around Kiev did not believe this.

The pro-Russian guy fled Kiev before he could be hoisted toward Heaven.

The pro-Russian far east of Ukraine decided to split off.

Kiev, like Brussels (bad, bad Brexit) and DC (don’t you even think of it) didn’t like that.

There was a prolonged war, then Covid. After Covid fear died down, the war heated up.

Putin got fed up with pro-Russian folks in Ukraine get whacked. Ukraine got invaded.


29 posted on 06/21/2024 7:14:09 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: ChicagoConservative27

(The only thing Biden is terrified of is if the Easter Bunny is going to pop up on the white house lawn)

LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣


30 posted on 06/21/2024 7:14:18 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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31 posted on 06/21/2024 7:14:42 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: McGruff; Chad C. Mulligan

>>>>Someone needs to give the Post Editorial Board a rifle and a plane ticket to Ukraine.<<<<

Someone needs to give Chad C. Milligan and his zeeper comrades a rifle and a plane ticket to Ukraine.


32 posted on 06/21/2024 7:18:38 PM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: Robert DeLong
So you would have cheered a nuclear stake by Ukraine?

In retrospect, absolutely. THEY had/have the makings of a civilized European state: Rule of Law, human rights, a succession principle, a market economy, (albeit riddled with leftover Soviet corruptocrats).

They had territorial integrity as a non aligned state.

"non-aligned" in Moscow-speak means "we require a noose around your neck". And sure enough, Moscow yightened the noose by "inducing" Yanukovich to sign on to a Moscow-centric alignment agreement. Which in turn induced 800,000 rank and file Ukrainians to protest.

Once Yanukovich's thugs started beating his own citizens, and an imported Russian team of snipers started killing them with rifles, any moral or legal obligation to "remain non-aligned" was dead, dead, dead.

33 posted on 06/21/2024 7:18:50 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (Your insults are my rocket fuel. More please!)
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“Nobody recalls Ukrainian troops making a drive toward Moscow. Nobody.”

The folks of Donetsk and Luhansk knew where Ukrainian troops and artillery shells were headed. Those folks made lots of frantic phone calls to Moscow.


34 posted on 06/21/2024 7:19:46 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: ChicagoConservative27
We're is knee deep in the Big Muddy and the Post says to move on.
35 posted on 06/21/2024 7:24:32 PM PDT by x
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After the $61 Billion US tax dollar deal was completed,
Biden, Zelenskyy sign new 10-year security agreement
Biden vowed to support Ukraine “until they prevail this war”
More tax dollars, military aid and weaponry to follow

By Justin Gomez and Molly Nagle, June 13, 2024, abcnews.com

Joe Biden touted on Thursday several new major U.S. commitments for Ukraine that were announced this week, including a 10-year bilateral security agreement, sanctions to disrupt Russia’s war machine, and a sign-off from the G7 on a $50 billion loan backed by frozen Russian assets.

Biden, in during a press conference in Italy with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said the collective efforts by the G7 show that Russian President Vladimir Putin “cannot wait us out, he cannot divide us, and we’ll be with Ukraine until they prevail this war.”

On the bilateral agreement, Biden said the goal is to “strengthen Ukraine’s credible defense and deterrence capabilities for the long term.”

He reiterated his position that American troops will not fight in Ukraine, but the United States would provide them with weapons.

Zelenskyy called it a “historic day” after signing the “strongest agreement between Ukraine and the U.S. since our independence.”

PHOTOS: President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy attend a press conference after a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the G7 summit, in Fasano, Italy, June 13, 2024.

Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy attend a press conference after signing 10 year deal...Alessandro Garofalo/Reuters

“This is an agreement on security and thus on the protection of human life. This is an agreement on cooperation, and thus on how our nations will become stronger. This is an agreement on steps to guarantee sustainable peace. And therefore, it benefits everyone in the world because the Russian war against Ukraine is a real, real global threat,” Zelenskyy said.

Zelenskyy was asked what his contingency plan is if the next U.S. president does not follow through with this agreement, but he suggested that as long as Americans support Ukraine, so will the American president.

“If the people are with us, any leader will be with us in this struggle for freedom,” he said.

Highlighting the frozen Russian assets, Biden said the plan that’s been agreed to by the G7 is another reminder for Putin that “we’re not backing down.”

“Collectively, this is a powerful set of actions and will create a stronger foundation for Ukraine’s success,” Biden said.

After Biden recently signed off on Ukraine using American weapons to strike in parts of Russia, limiting use to areas near the Russian-occupied Kharkiv region, he was asked if he would consider expanding those parameters to allow for longer-range strikes; he said his policy is still against that.

Exclusive: Biden tells Muir US weapons will not be used to strike Moscow, Kremlin. “It makes a lot of sense for Ukraine to be able to take out or combat what is coming across that border. In terms of long, long-range weapons, longer-range weapons into the interior of Russia, we have not changed our position on that sort,” he said.

Zelenskyy was asked about how long the supplemental support from the U.S. and other nations will get him on the battlefield. He said it’s not a matter of how long the aid lasts, but, more importantly, how long unity among nations will last.

“I think the question has to be, for how long the unity will last? The unity in the United States, together with the European leaders — how these or those elections will influence this unity?” Zelensky said, via translation

“It seems to me that we should look on this exactly this way: to preserve unity, to preserve the integrity of the world, the integrity of the democratic world. Because if Ukraine does not withstand, the democracy, many countries will not be able to withstand, and I am sure of that,” he added.


36 posted on 06/21/2024 7:27:21 PM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name . )
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To: Brian Griffin
Donetsk and Luhansk are Ukrainian territory. There was peace and quiet until Russian "irregulars" invaded en masse, claiming to be "separatists". Ukrainians, quite naturally, shot back. Into their own territory to try to dislodge the invaders. Ukrainian troops were on the defensive from the first minutes, and never encroached on Russia.
37 posted on 06/21/2024 7:34:20 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (Your insults are my rocket fuel. More please!)
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WIKI

The first deaths occurred on Unity Day, 22 January, during riots on Hrushevskoho Street in Kyiv, where three activists: Serhiy Nigoyan, Mykhailo Zhyznevskyi and Roman Senyk [uk] were shot dead by security forces. On the same day, the dead body of activist Yuriy Verbytsky [uk] was found on the city outskirts; he had been kidnapped a day before with Ihor Lutsenko, who was released.

then Prime Minister Mykola Azarov in a BBC interview said that police had not been issued firearms, and said no police officers were located on the rooftops around the protest area. He stated that the shooting of protesters was a provocation by extremist forces aimed at escalating violence

On 18 February, protesters attempted to march from Independence Square to the parliament building, to urge politicians to vote for constitutional amendments. Clashes broke out as their path was blocked by riot police, who tried to push them back to Maidan. Eleven protesters were killed or fatally wounded. Three of them were shot dead by police; the rest died of other injuries. Four police officers were also shot and killed.

Later that evening and into the early hours of 19th February, the security forces launched an operation to clear Independence Square. Small groups of titushky (government loyalists) also gathered nearby. Clashes broke out between the security forces and protesters, resulting in the deaths of seventeen protesters and five police officers. Most of the protesters were shot by police. Two others died when police set the Trade Union building on fire, and another was found dead with his throat slit. A journalist, Viacheslav Veremii, was beaten and shot dead by titushky for filming them. The five police officers died from gunshot wounds.

On the morning of 20 February, riot police massed at the edge of the Maidan camp on Independence Square. At around 9am, two Berkut officers were shot dead. Around the same time, protesters tried to push the security forces away from the Maidan and back up Instytutska Street. The security forces fired indiscriminately on the protesters from ground level, while snipers fired on protesters from above. By midday, 48 protesters had been shot dead on Instytutska Street, as had two other police officers. According to the newspaper Ukrainska Pravda, special forces (Berkut) and Interior Troops snipers shot at people on Maidan and/or snipers located in nearby buildings, with the special forces firing AK-47 assault rifles. 20 February was the bloodiest day of the clashes, with at least 21 protesters killed.

The final death toll from these clashes in late February was 103 protesters and 13 police. According to Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleh Zalisko [uk] in February, 184 people sustained gunshot wounds in Kyiv and over 750 suffered bodily injury. On 20 February, the (then) opposition parties (Batkivshchyna, UDAR and Svoboda) stated “To hold talks with the regime, the policies of which led to the deaths of many people, is an extremely unpleasant thing but we must do everything possible and even the impossible to prevent further bloodshed”.

In June 2016, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine announced that forensic examinations had matched bullets removed from the victims’ bodies with the assault rifles of the Berkut. In the years since the revolution, the Office of the Prosecutor General has identified 27 Berkut officers involved in the 20 February shootings of protesters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualties


38 posted on 06/21/2024 7:42:00 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

As I understand things, one guy sparked the separatism around 2010.

The DPR and LPR were formed by separatists in 2014 after Maiden, much like American separatists in the 13 colonies in 1776 told George III that we’re through with you.

There was trench warfare between the DPR & LPR vs. Ukraine since 2014 until Putin forced the DPR & LPR to join the RF.


39 posted on 06/21/2024 7:50:54 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

No, you’ve got it all wrong. The CIA were the ones marching on Kiev to overthrow the legitimately elected and supported unanimously by the Security Council government of the Ukrainian people. After that came eight years of continual attacks upon the ethnic Russians in Donbas. Of course, the 12 CIA bases quickly followed and the plan to overthrow the Russian government through NATO pressure in Ukraine became apparent. The blame for the unprovoked attacks on ethnic Russians and the Russian government since 2014 belongs to DC and it’s stooges in Kiev.


40 posted on 06/21/2024 7:57:25 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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