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J.D. Vance's Incoherent Argument for Higher Minimum Wages
Reason ^ | 6.14.2024 | Eric Boehm

Posted on 06/17/2024 10:47:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: JayGalt

He is just another Yale Law School idiot that has no common sense.


61 posted on 06/17/2024 12:45:07 PM PDT by cnsmom
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To: nickcarraway
When I heard about his memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, somethings were clear to me about J. D. Vance.   It was about his dysfunctional family and his time growing up with his grandparents in Jackson, Kentucky.   I attempted to attend college in Jackson, Kentucky, population 2,231, in "Bloody" Breathitt County, Kentucky.   I lasted one term and had to get out of there.   It was like stepping back in time with people that believe they "got to do for me and mine."

It is obvious to me J. D. Vance is hung up on a the trope "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" out of compassion for the hillbillies he remembers from his youth.   No amount of reason or logic can break through what his "Mamaw" taught him.   And he can't even see that his beliefs are Marxist.

62 posted on 06/17/2024 12:52:41 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: cnsmom

Some politicians strike me as focused on positioning their brand and raising their profile rather than being motivated to serve American interests. Often on their way these politicians support positions that advance policies that MAGA but they are not dependable since they are not committed.
As you note the Yale & Harvard group are rarely solid.


63 posted on 06/17/2024 12:53:30 PM PDT by JayGalt (DEI = Didn’t Earn It)
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To: JoSixChip
I suspect your definition of conservative is the same as liz cheney's.

I suspect that all you have to offer are insults because you lack the intelligence for a real conversation.

64 posted on 06/17/2024 12:57:32 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: nickcarraway

What a jackass, even a total idiot should be aware of the complete disaster raising the minimum wage for unskilled fast food labor to $20 in California has caused. And then there’s the ripple effect that happens across the whole economy. He must be high on Trumps !its because that’s as stupid as Trumps tactic and tips idea. Flame me if you want but you can’t change reality!


65 posted on 06/17/2024 12:57:39 PM PDT by Mastador1
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To: Savage Beast

Maybe DeSantis said no. But Trump said that DeSantis handled COVID worse than Andrew Cuomo and was the worst governor. Maybe he could get Cuomo to be his VP.


66 posted on 06/17/2024 12:58:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I want to know where the FedGov, or any gov, is granted the authority to tell an employer how much they must pay an employee.


67 posted on 06/17/2024 1:01:03 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: central_va

Thanks


68 posted on 06/17/2024 1:13:06 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Brandon's pronouns: Xi/Hur)
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To: nickcarraway

Vance’s conservatism has never seemed very genuine to me. Most of the time his politics are in the right place, but I’m not really sure how principled he is or what motivates him.


69 posted on 06/17/2024 1:17:15 PM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Oh, yes. He’s pandering for sure.
This guy is a carpetbagger with money.

The only REAL solution to all this economic BS is to get FedGov back within the confines of the Constitution and SCRAP ALL THE REST.


70 posted on 06/17/2024 1:22:30 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. The Dhimmicraps are ALL Traitors. All of them.)
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To: PubliusMM

He’s got quite a future in front of him. I’d give him 2 senate terms before he goes stale like Thune did. No VP. Perhaps a run for Gov. after Vivek proves his bonafides-not counting on it.


71 posted on 06/17/2024 2:03:17 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: nickcarraway
Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) calls for a more muscular federal government to intervene even more aggressively in the economy than it already does,

That's pretty much the antithesis of a Republican IMHO.

72 posted on 06/17/2024 2:11:25 PM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: nickcarraway

governments only distort markets


73 posted on 06/17/2024 3:15:40 PM PDT by joshua c
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To: DIRTYSECRET
It makes sense in several ways. Most immediately, it works as a measure against illegal immigration if coupled with enhanced enforcement of citizenship requirements for work.

It is relatively easy to check the books for what workers are being paid, and, if properly enforced, a high minimum wage would help price illegal immigrants out of the market. The ill effects on marginal employment could be countered with federal income tax credits for qualified employers and subsidized training for prospective employees. Any exceptions to a high minimum wage should be limited and tightly monitored.

On the whole, we want a society in which legal, productive jobs are plentiful and financially rewarding but restricted to citizens and legal immigrants. This would help reorient individuals and families on the margins in America toward legal employment as a way to advance in life. This would do much to discourage and alleviate many pathologies at work in American life today.

I am done with the view of libertarian economists, Reason, and the Chamber of Commerce that the highest priority in America should go to cheap labor so as to assure business profitability and returns on capital. This has led to an expanding welfare state, a large mass of people who are work-shy, and a wave of destructive immigration -- supported vigorously by libertarian economists, Reason, and the Chamber of Commerce. Meanwhile, millions of Americans work hard but struggle to make ends meet and are deeply dispirited.

I think that J. D. Vance gets this. I am chagrined that it took me so many years to do so.

74 posted on 06/17/2024 6:01:42 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: nickcarraway
It's clearly whack-a-mole season for the LAAP-dog media.

Whoever rises to the top of the news cycle will get hit with an attack piece in an attempt to box in President Trump.

-PJ

75 posted on 06/17/2024 6:07:00 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Rockingham

It may take you a few more years to gain a fuller perspective. There is a disconnect in Vance’s thinking and a naiveté that is not touching. Elucidating problems with one approach and ignoring the problems with the chosen counter approach is the ultimate in stupidity.
The best tool we have is the study of history. Whose policies brought economic prosperity to the greatest number of people in all strata of American life? Trump’s, there is no contest.
Was wage control responsible. No. Did tariffs to protect American industry, encourage the building of plants in the US, prevent predatory international trade practices suceed. In a word YES.
The simplistic siren song of mandated minimum wage has historically backfired and brought greater poverty in it’s wake. It takes a spectacularly myopic vision to ignore the recent California example.
This attempt by JD Vance to sound like a man with a compelling vision and a plan for prosperity tells us much about his intellect, his priorities (personal political chops rather than MAGA), his brashness and his willingness to gamble with American’s opportunities and economic priorities if such gambling advances his political star. In the past JD Vance has impressed me as a loose cannon and inconsistent. For a time he seemed to be becoming an asset to America. He has now clarified that he remains undependable to those who are committed to small government and individual opportunity and freedoms.


76 posted on 06/18/2024 4:35:26 AM PDT by JayGalt (DEI = Didn’t Earn It)
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To: JayGalt
Wage and hour laws have broad political appeal and are not going to disappear. They can work to (mostly) good effect if they are part of a larger set of well chosen policies.

Anyway, your point applies most forcefully not to Vance but to the business establishment and political and financial elites who want cheap labor and are eager to get it through mass immigration from the Third World.

In America's emerging politics, traditional free market capitalism will likely be a political dead end because poor people from socialist countries will soon move American politics forcefully to the Left. A high minimum wage will be the least of our troubles.

And, bluntly put, if and when Third World mobs come for the rich who illegally invited them into the country, I will not be inclined to try to stand in their way. I just hope they direct their aim at Soros and son, the Obamas, the Clintons, the Bidens, the Arabella network, the Hamptons, and other wealthy Leftists in their enclaves first and are sated.

77 posted on 06/18/2024 5:41:37 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

It’s foolish & naive to think you will be left alone. You will be the easier target. The rich can always afford personal security.


78 posted on 06/18/2024 5:49:14 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Rockingham

We can agree to disagree. I wish you freegards.


79 posted on 06/18/2024 6:53:43 AM PDT by JayGalt (DEI = Didn’t Earn It)
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To: Reily

Which is why I oppose mass illegal immigration, support the Second Amendment, and live in a Red state on a long driveway off a cul-de-sac. If I become a target, I will not be an easy one.


80 posted on 06/18/2024 8:11:28 AM PDT by Rockingham
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