[dforest]

The Ukes were what they thought was free prior to the war. Well, some were not. They were warred upon by their own country because they spoke a different language and had some different customs. Zelensky, to get elected, promised he would put a stop to that but he never did.

Seems Ukraine was never free really. Many countries including our own have set up shop in their country and have been for years. Even setting up a color revolution and installing a person to do our bidding.

Kind of reminds me of the 2020 election steal here and the installation of Joe Biden and the Jan 6th debacle.

Perhaps having an election in Ukraine just might get Zelensky booted and maybe they will elect someone to end this proxy war where they do the dying. That is why they aren’t having an election.

[adorno]

Seems Ukraine was never free really. Many countries including our own have set up shop in their country and have been for years.

The U.S. set up shop in Germany and France and Italy and all over the world. We set up shop in Iraq and in Afghanistan. We set up shop where we're needed. Ukraine is a relatively 'new' country after breaking away from the Soviet Union. Even when the U.S. broke away from England, there were growing pains and we needed assistance from various players around the world. Ukraine needs the U.S. and other EU countries, not only for economic reasons, but for defense. Putin took Crimea and Georgia and was looking for more. So, no matter how corrupt the Uke government is or was, should Russia be given carte-blank with trying to take over Ukraine. If it's ok for Russia to take Ukraine, would the problems in Europe be solved? Or, would more problems be created. If corruption means that Ukraine should not be defended, then, we might as well forget about defending the U.S., because, there is more corruption in this country than anywhere else on the planet.