Moronic.
They did provide cannon fodder."
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Posted on 05/23/2024 10:32:50 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier
Russia never liberated Europe in any way during WWII. They just continued Hitler’s work by replacing national socialism with international socialism. Russia and Germany competed about taking as much of Europe as possible.
Germany has paid war-damages after WWII.
Russia though, still owe Europe a VAST amount of money.
Russia basically just stole every Eastern European country and put it under direct Kremlin Soviet rule.
It’s now time for Russia to pay war-damages for its invasion of Europe during WWII. 10 Trillion Euros would be just about right.
Russia though, still owe(s) Europe a VAST amount of money.
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And the US.
Thank you for this
Hard to watch and to read
Yes, and this photo has been reenacted. In the original, you can see the several wristwatches on the Soviet soldier‘s arm. Later, the photo has been retouched.
Funny idea, too, not to hoist the red flag on the chancellery. The Reichstag building had been standing empty since the fire of February 1933. The whole institution, which became a pseudo-parlament of one single party, gathered in the Kroll opera house. In April 1942 was the last time it convened.
Just for a bit of a historical footnote. Maybe somebody might be interested…🙂
Its terrible
There you go again, replacing the Soviet Union with the word ‘Russia’.
That region was known as the Soviet Union during WWII, Russia didn’t ‘continue Hitler’s work.’ The Soviet Union and Germany took regions in WWII.
You say Germany paid WWII damages - how did they ever repay the lives of millions of Jews, and for the lives of all who died fighting them?
It is the Soviet Union which, did not start the war, which would owe money for WWII.
You say, “Russia basically just stole every Eastern European country and put it under direct Kremlin Soviet rule.”
That was the Soviet Union, too.
NATO is leveraging nations under it’s control and it will complete the job if they can just overthrow Russia, and you’re fine with that.
You say, “It’s now time for Russia to pay war-damages for its invasion of Europe during WWII. 10 Trillion Euros would be just about right.”
You keep trying to justify provoking Russia into war by falsely naming it ‘Soviet Union’. Most of us don’t want WWIII, no matter what name you call Russia. WWIII would be a result of NATO’s actions. Not Russia.
I know the Chancellory was only a few blocks away, but I wonder if they didn't know if that area had been reached and cleared yet, and figured they'd stop at the Reichstag first.
Don't ever worry about sharing history with me. I'm an avid fan of different periods of history, and am currently reading two books on WWII. If you're not familiar with him, Dr. Mark Felton is a British historian, and has a YouTube Channel where he posts excellent videos, mostly about WWII. He's very good at getting as many facts on a subject as he can.
Yes, I know that. It doesn't make a bit of difference. The Russians were still the first ones to enter Berlin. And why shouldn't they have been? Germany never invaded the U.S., but as anyone with half-a-brain knows, Germany certainly invaded Russia.
“ Yes, I know that. It doesn’t make a bit of difference. ”
It relates to your assertion the Russians won the war
The Allies under the US won that war.
The plan for Berlin to be under Soviet occupation had already been made at Yalta and the US saw no reason to go to Berlin and take casualties.
US provided Russians with air support.
I never said that. I said they won The Battle of Berlin. Try taking a reading comprehension class.
Yes, I‘ve heard of him. Still, I consider his videos rather sensationalist. Sorry about it.
This story of his dealings with the German Tank museum, for example, was a little dodgy to me, especially with me being a historian myself:
https://daspanzermuseum.de/regarding-mark-feltons-king-tiger-still-in-lake-video/
Thus, Mr. Felton seems to me very similar to many other „British style“ historians: the narrative- which is always extremely good and clearly written- is the most important. Facts, not always.
That should be of no wonder. After all, Britain‘s rich literary heritage would be unthinkable without the British narrative tradition.
In scholarship, there are national traditions which pay more attention to facts, but whose scholarly works normally make for rather dry reading. My own writings are no exception in this regard 😀
Furthermore, one should not forget that Britain teaches her children unconditional hatred for my people, the fact notwithstanding that we are a slave colony now, not a country., after losing you-know-what, as well as being a partner in Nato.
Well, if I had my way, my country, what’s left of it, would be as isolationist as ancient China, ancient Korea, or as Japan during the „sakoku“ era. I think, then, people on both sides of the German border would be happy 😀
The only pity would be that we wouldn’t be having this conversation now 🙂
Moronic.
They did provide cannon fodder."
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Sorry to say. But the Soviets carried the day during WWII. They did need a lot of help from the U.S. due to logistics. But D-Day Invasion was nothing. All the action was on the Eastern Front.
Thank you for having this debate with me. I am very grateful.
But could you help me: where is the fascination many Anglo-Saxons with the era 1933-45 stem from? I must say that it was dreadful for everyone involved.
My parents witnessed it as children, and my late mother‘s first word was „ quick, basement“ in baby talk. She still could hear the sound of the Merlin engines in her mind, although she was only two when the nightmare ended. My father just barely survived an air raid when he was seven - but here I am.
Most Europeans have similar, or much worse, memories of that time. That’s why so many Europeans were able to come together in past decades, talking ro each other about their life stories- and crying bitterly at what the others all had to go through. I think this was difficult for many, but cathartic as well, and helped to overcome the great hatred, another bitter legacy of this terrible era.
For my own part, I consider other parts of history a more enjoyable topic, especially the Middle Ages, where so much has not been researched yet. I love reading ancient charters of knights, clerics, burghers and rustics and everything contained therein.
As a litte P.S. on Mr. Felton: here we have someone accusing him of stealing content, according to the links in the linked article.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DerScheisser/comments/169fido/mark_felton_production_presents/
Thus, to be honest…I don‘t really know what to make of it…
Maybe if Stalin didn’t make a deal with Hitler, then it wouldn’t have come to that.
My father was born in Holland, near the border of Belgium. He came here as a little boy of 8 with his two brothers, and their parents in 1913. Sadly I never knew my grandparents, they were all gone on both sides when I was born in 1947.
Back in 2006, my oldest son and I traveled to Europe together, first stopping in Brugge, so we could rent a car and drive the 50 miles to Schoondijke, Holland where my father had been born. Schoondijke was occupied by the Germans during the war. Canadian forces were assigned the task to clear the area. The allies bombed the village of Schoondijke very heavily, and not much of it was left when the war ended. We only stayed overnight as we both had our own itineraries to hold to. My son went on to Germany, and I headed to Paris to tour the D-Day Landing Beaches, and then to London for a week there, and then a 3 week bus tour of the British Isles.
The majority of my DNA ancestry comes from England, Wales and Northwestern Europe. My mother was born in Canada and came to the U.S. with her mother and only brother when she was quite young. My great-uncle served with the Canadian Forces in WWI, was wounded in France, and died of his wounds two months before the Armistice.
Unbeknownst to either of my parents was the fact that our family also has DNA from Sweden, Denmark, Germanic Empire, Scotland and Ireland. The closest DNA-connected ancestor from Germany that I have is a 5th Great-Grandfather John Conrad Sills (von Sills)(von Sells), who was born in Rothenbergen, Hesse in 1738. He emigrated to New York State. He was a Loyalist during the Revolutionary War, served with a special Ranger unit, then moved with his family to Canada.
My traveling days are over unfortunately. I only get to visit my two sons, and my brother's family. I'm the last one left from mine. I'm glad at least that I did get to both birthplaces of my parents, and grandparents. In Canada, I met cousins I never knew I had. Thanks for the link to the video, and for the info on Dr. Felton. And thanks for sharing this conversation. Although I have British DNA, I've always felt that Britain treated some of her colonies very badly. Not just because of our Revolutionary War here, but because the Brits had a habit of colonizing places like India, and others, and then when it got inconvenient for them, they ran away and left messes for others to clean up. At least that's the impression I've gotten in some of my reading. Take care. It's been a pleasure.
It didn't matter "how". Only that it was inevitable.
” But could you help me: where is the fascination many Anglo-Saxons with the era 1933-45 stem from? I must say that it was dreadful for everyone involved. “
The liberals and Left of the West have used what happened in Germany in that period as absolutely foundational to how they constructed the Post-War World.
At core, the world post-WW2 is based on White Guilt for what happened. And the response has to be necessary atonement - even for the populations of Allied countries.
Every border war, no matter how remote or irrelevant is claimed to be the beginning of a genocidal world war of conquest.
Any self-assertion, nationalistic claim or ethnic self interest by any Western country is absolutely forbidden because it will supposedly lead to another Auschwitz. (One country used to be exempt from this prohibition, but that has now ended.)
Jonathan Bowden was a British National Party guy who spoke with great insight about this. (at the prompt).
https://youtu.be/5y3a3vSTgPI?t=1832
At least it would have allowed Britain and France to build up their forces before Hitler or Stalin made their move.
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