WHY YOU CAN'T BE AN IRAN HAWK AND A RUSSIA DOVE

Institute for the Study of War ^

[USA-FRANCE]

A Russian victory is an Iranian victory. Moscow and Tehran have formed a military bloc with the aim of defeating the United States and its allies in the Middle East, Europe, and around the world. Russian and Iranian military forces have been fighting alongside one another in Syria for nearly a decade.

[Darksheare]

IS it?
Did we belong meddling in Yugoslavia which wasn’t a NATO member so your repeated NPC like “So NATO protects its members” doesn’t apply?
Do we belong meddling in Ukraine which is not a NATO member so your mind numbed NPC like “So NATo protects its members” doesn’t apply?
You already admitted that Libya, Syria, Egypt et al weren’t valid NATO protectorates.

[Toddsterpatriot]

NATO did indeed encroach.
Or did it not expand eastward?

Poor Russia, its former slaves joined NATO. DURR.

[Darksheare]

And yet you insist that NATO didn’t encroach.
Fascinating.

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is moronic.

Our voluntary organization defending against Russian expansion is nothing like Russia. France left NATO, we didn't send in the tanks like Russia did in Czechoslovakia and Hungary.

You already admitted that Libya, Syria, Egypt et al weren't valid NATO protectorates.

Did we occupy them after Hillary and Obama f'ed them up?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did those countries ask to join? Or did we force them?

Sorry if NATO makes Putin sad. Really.

[Darksheare]

Libya, yes.
And we’re still turning it into a soup of stupid.
Egypt threw the Muzzi Brothers off and told Obama to get bent.
Syria actually successfully held off the Obama BS.
“Our voluntary organization defending against Russian expansion”
But what about NATO expansion?

[Darksheare]

“Or did we force them? “

Looking at the Maidan Coup I’m beginning to wonder what pressure our “diplomats” used.

[Navy Patriot]

The Founding Fathers were impregnated by the French Enlightenment.

Yep, pretty much all Frogs are Rapists.

Take you arrogance elsewhere.

Belittling and demeaning Madison and the Founders as French Courtesans is beyond offensive.

[USA-FRANCE]

“Belittling and demeaning Madison and the Founders as French Courtesans is beyond offensive.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you have some strange reactions...
I’m not responsible for history and what happened in the past. I only sent you historical facts. It’s nothing you and I can do anything about - since history belongs to the past.
Weather we find history offensive or not, it’s part of life.

Now a question to you. Are you against the Enlightenment Era? Against philosophers like Voltaire?

[gleeaikin]

It sounds like they/he wanted to inplement a China type of mind/communications control.

[gleeaikin]

Putin has certainly been using his Special Services in the US to stir things up. I have no doubt that the agitation of Black Lives Matter, and current Save the Palistinians includes a few very clever and insidious flame fanners.

My ride is urging me to get of my computer, but perhaps FReind Mulligan can give you the URL where my reference to Special Services appears in bullet point #20 about how to cause trouble in the US and Canada

[Chad C. Mulligan]

Perhaps you mean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

[woodpusher]

Army ships aren’t going to be running through highly contested waters

Sailing the friendly seas of WW3. What a concept.

They’ll very likely have some kind of escort anywhere they go that has a chance of enemy contact.

WW2 says that they will have a high probabiity of contact in the Atlantic.

https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/world-war-ii/1942/atlantic.html

Battle of the Atlantic

Countering the U-Boat Threat and Supplying the Allies

The ultimate cost of victory in this vast area of operations was sobering: Between 1939 and 1945, 3,500 Allied merchant ships (14.5 million gross tons) and 175 Allied warships were sunk, and 72,200 Allied naval and merchant seamen lost their lives.

Who are these cited escorts being provided to the Army? Does somebody have a spare Navy hanging around? The actual Navy will be sort of occupied escorting USNS ships. The Navy has shrunk a lot smaller and will not instantly sprout new warships. The Army would not have a "gigantic problem with (contested) logistics in the Indo-Pacific" if all they had to do was call their servant, the Navy, and the Navy would babysit them wherever they wanted to go.

https://www.msc.usff.navy.mil/Ships/Ship-Inventory/

The Military Sealift Command has a crapload of ships, but those are all Navy.

Neither Russia nor China have any kind of power projection.

Russia sure does have power projection in the Atlantic. Submarines can sail circles around anything on the surface. Cargo ships are slow.

Carriers play no role in cargo ship escort. Carriers do not go anywhere without their own escorts. Carriers are anachronistic against superpowers such as China or Russia. They cannot escape missiles or drone swarms.

Against China or Russia, our carriers will be vulnerable targets of missiles. Our Navy has been unable to stop the Houthis.

A small threat would be submarines,

Small? Easy for the Army to say. They will not be such a threat on land.

As noted in the Defense News articles I linked, the Army recently discovered they have a major problem with contested logistics. It seems they have no escort ships, no surface combat ships. They can move a world of stuff, as long as nobody tries to stop them.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/10/10/us-army-heightens-focus-on-contested-logistics-in-pacific/

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/03/29/us-army-has-a-gigantic-problem-with-logistics-in-the-indo-pacific/

as I’ve mentioned, their stuff isn’t as good as ours, and we know where all of theirs are.

This is the same Army that just discovered they have little ability to carry on contested logistics. Apparently the master planners never considered someone might shoot at them. It has been nearly a century since they had to worry about it. Well, times up.

And how do we know where all of their submarines are without them knowing where all of our submarines are?

The Russian navy spent time developing diesel electric submarines. First scoffed at, they are very difficult to detect. Much of what worked then to detect Russian boats has been negated. A single screw replaced double screws. Cavitation problems have been addressed.

The undersea surveillance HQ used to be COMOCEANSYSLANT in NYC. That was propably covenient for AT&T. The old SOSUS machines are pictured below.

[Navy Patriot]

Take your Lies and Arrogance elsewhere, Pound Sand, Frog.

[Wuli]

“We picked Russia as an enemy because our idiot deepstate thought Russia was weak because they pojected our stunning capabilities and Russian weakness. “

Wrong. It was Putin who “picked” the fight because he knew Biden would be weak and let him get away with it.

[Wuli]

“Article brought to you by the ISW Institute for the Study of War.” ....War is their business, their only business.”

Wrong. Their “business” IS NOT war. It is the study of war. They are not in the “business” to “make war” or suggest we should. The point of their work is to provide lessons to policy makers from their studying of what was done before, what is now being done, not being done and considering to be done, to improve policies to both avoid conflict if possible and conduct ourselves better if necessary.

[AndyJackson]

Watch Ukraine on Fire and the things Mearsheimer has written on this and get back to me when you have educated yourself.

[AndyJackson]

ISW is another MIC funded NGO to promote forever war.

[Wuli]

No it is not “MIC” funded nor is it’s purpose “promoting” war.

https://www.understandingwar.org/our-supporters

[gleeaikin]

OK, I am American born, never set foot in Europe, and am going to make a guess on Felix Dzerzhinsky. 85 year old memory flash says early Soviet secret police boss. Secret Police called Cheka. Info popped into my brain, as I looked at your sentence. Now to Google and see if old brain is right.