Posted on 04/21/2024 4:51:45 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
Shouldn’t these white coeds chanting Viva Viva Palestina have their mommies and daddies pay for them to move to Gaza. They can protest that and abortion rights there and get a warm reception.
It is easier to hate America here than there.
Ukraine was the export capital of the world for the white female sex slave trade. With the shutdown of Epstein Island they were making fortunes off of young blonde girls in the ME and Asia for the billionaires.
Most likely what Hunter/Romney was really making a fortune from.
The most likely is letting all the invaders vote in the swing states and stuff the ballot box. Should not be hard to fake the signatures and registrations in friendly states.
More D's than R's. Look at some of the names of the D's/Nay votes. Patty Murray, Bernie Sanders, Maisey Hirono...Interestingly, both WVA senators were afraid to cast recorded votes. Roll Call Vote Details
More D's than R's. Look at some of the names of the D's/Nay votes. Patty Murray, Bernie Sanders, Maisey Hirono...Interestingly, both WVA senators were afraid to cast recorded votes. Roll Call Vote Details
Not a bad idea at all.!
He’s gonna run out of cannon fodder before long. He’ll have hire terrorists to fight his war.
Giving up is one thing. Seeing things as they are is something else
WHO voted in the primaries and voted out the incumbent? LOCAL, State, Federal?
It is even more in the interests of Ukrainians not to be defeated and subjected by the Russians. It will not be just Zelesnsky who will get a bullet in the back of the head then, but thousands of innocent people, too.
There was no push from any Ukrainian to go to war with Russia, but that was solely up to Russia. The war in Donbas was part of Ukraine—note everyone even there— wanting to separate. Russia absolutely exploited this and sent thousands of troops into the Donbas.
Even Putin himself said there was no such thing as Ukrainians, they were all Russians. Yet Ukraine is an independent nation recognized by the UN and 193 separate countries. Putin cannot arbitrarily declare it Russia.
That’s why the Ukrainians fight. Not to “beat” Russia, but to NOT be devoured and made into Russian serfs. They remember how that used to be.
By focusing only on Zelesnsky you ignore what these people want... And that’s to be left alone, first and foremost by Russia, and then by Joe Biden.
No, but their leadership must accept reality if they truly care about their own people. Negotiation is the only way this ten year war ends. Prolonging the inevitable just results in more senseless death and destruction. We must use our leverage and influence to facilitate the negotiations. Who benefits from continuing the war? Corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs? The US Military-Industrial complex? Deep State to hide their nefarious activities?
I don’t understand you. Russia has no right to own Ukraine than we Mexico.
The Russian objective is a neutral Ukraine that is not part of NATO. It is not to "own" Ukraine. We had the Monroe Doctrine to control our sphere of influence. We intervened many times in Central America overtly and covertly to achieve our foreign policy objectives. The closest we have ever come to a nuclear war was the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Russia shares a 1,400 mile border with Ukraine, which used to be part of the USSR and Russia for hundreds of years. They share historical, political, cultural, linguistic, and religious ties.
If the Soviet Union had staged a coup of the duly elected government of Mexico and stated the intention that Mexico would be part of the Warsaw Pact, what do you think our reaction would have been?
Explain to me why Ukrainians should not be their own people with their own government, when we have 193 recognized countries in the United Nations, Ukraine being one of them?
Ukraine was one of the founding members of the UN. Russia has not announced any intention to conquer and occupy Ukraine and eliminate it as a sovereign nation.
China has taken over Tibet. It prevents Taiwan from becoming a separate nation. It has violated the terms of the agreement that transferred control of Hong Kong and trampled the civil liberties of the people of Hong Kong. And then there is the genocide of the Uyghurs. Contrast the reaction of the US and its allies to the sins of the CCP compared to the Russians.
It is more than dollars. The USG has directed our social media as surrogates to surveil us. The USG uses intimidation and threats to insure compliance. Read the analysis of Twitter done by Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger. Hell, many retired/former USG intel operatives are employees of the social media organizations. They have infiltrated them.
Interesting that Vance didn’t vote on it.
Sure is.
Marjorie Taylor Green REP . GA
I'm pro-negotiation to end the war. I think no matter for how long or how hard the Ukrainians fight, they'll never get Donbas and Crimea back. That has to happen on the Russia side, perhaps a coup against Putin, or a real democratic state, but very unlikely.
Selling weapons to Europeans at war is an old and long US tradition. We sold weapons in WWI--the Lusitania where filled with them. Selling weapons is what we do. But selling to Ukraine is only part of it, not the raison d'etre. We do have to have an arms industry.
The Russian objective is a neutral Ukraine that is not part of NATO. It is not to "own" Ukraine. We had the Monroe Doctrine to control our sphere of influence. We intervened many times in Central America overtly and covertly to achieve our foreign policy objectives. The closest we have ever come to a nuclear war was the Cuban Missile Crisis.
So what? In the past 20 years ago, we have abandoned Venezuela and Nicaragua to communist tyrants. Brazil might be next. But whatever they declare themselves to be, whether communist, socialists, whatever, is just a fig leaf to rule the people as dictators. We should be opposed to such regimes, whether in our own so-called backyard or anywhere on the planet.
Russia shares a 1,400 mile border with Ukraine, which used to be part of the USSR and Russia for hundreds of years. They share historical, political, cultural, linguistic, and religious ties.
Again, so what? So does Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland--also Georgia. The countries not *yet* invaded by Russia have every right to be afraid when Russia proves its aggression by asserting itself militarily against any of them, as happened in Georgia and Ukraine.
If the Soviet Union had staged a coup of the duly elected government of Mexico and stated the intention that Mexico would be part of the Warsaw Pact, what do you think our reaction would have been?
They didn't. There is no equivalency between such a hypothetical and what happened in Ukraine in 2012. Russia started meddling in Ukraine long before this in 2004 when they poisoned the President of Ukraine because he wouldn't bend to them. It seems Yeltsin didn't have a problem with Soviet Republics being free. The idea to wrangle them up was Putin's.
Ukraine was one of the founding members of the UN. Russia has not announced any intention to conquer and occupy Ukraine and eliminate it as a sovereign nation.
Once again, I offer Putin's speech right before the attack in February, 2022:21 February, 2022, Vladimir Putin:
"Modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began immediately after the revolution of 1917..."
"As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called 'Vladimir Ilyich Lenin's Ukraine'. He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents ... And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine."
"Ukraine never had a tradition of genuine statehood. (My note:neither did Finland, Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, Bosnia, or North Macedonia, Estonia, and Latvia. Nevertheless, they are states now.)"
"From the very first steps they began to build their statehood on the denial of everything that unites us. They tried to distort the consciousness, the historical memory of millions of people, entire generations living in Ukraine."
China has taken over Tibet. It prevents Taiwan from becoming a separate nation. It has violated the terms of the agreement that transferred control of Hong Kong and trampled the civil liberties of the people of Hong Kong. And then there is the genocide of the Uyghurs. Contrast the reaction of the US and its allies to the sins of the CCP compared to the Russians.
That's still not a reason to abandon Eastern Europeans. We have far little resources to help against Chinese oppression. There was and is no Asian NATO for Tibet, Hong Kong or Taiwan to join. Their repression is similar to the Turkic, Siberian and Tatar people inside Russia.
So those they cannot control they ban.
First TikTok, then X. Then Truth Social. They'll eventually come for Free Republic. Better to stop the Tik Tok ban then face the slippery slope they intend to go down.
I was told that Russia is part of an Axis of Evil, along with China and Iran. Won’t they keep backing up Russia with stuff???
Ukraine doesn’t have the resources/manpower to fight an endless War of Attrition...
The version I read, in many links, indicated Azov Nazis maybe 1-2% of the population, possibly created or enhanced by the cia in 2014 and beyond and than preying on the populace for several years. After all that Russia got pissed. They,CIA, started a lot of what was going on in the Donbass. We do agree that most or many living in the Donbass region near the Russian border have Russian sympathies. I doubt they want to be ruled by Ukraine or Russia which further complicates the situation.
CIA was designed for one thing only, creating chaos on a world wide basis. One of the reasons the rest of the world hates us so much is due to the CIA lying their asses off and creating havoc in country after country. Ukraine included. Ukraine has a thousand year history of various rulers and locals who have at best mixed loyalties. It's a disaster to try and make sense out of. Especially, when you have arbitrary people drawing lines on a map and then saying that's Ukraine. Good luck with that.
It's beyond my scope and a good place for the US to keep the hell out of. But, you can't ignore the corruption that goes on there. The massive laundry and smuggling in Ukraine continues to chum up various criminal orgs from all over the world including the US. Add that in and you have a true mess that any sane country would run from as far away as they can get. The fact that the US does not stay far away from Ukraine leads one to suspect just how corrupt our leadership actually is.
Here is a fairly neutral source that explains the Donbas situation.
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer
And this book, https://www.amazon.com/Armies-Russias-War-Ukraine-Elite/dp/1472833449
Who was Igor Girkin?
The war began 12 April 2014, when a fifty-man commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast. The Ukrainian military launched an operation against them.
Weakness invites aggression. Thousands of years of history backs that up like it or not. Making weapons is part of that.
Also, if stationing forces outside the USA helps deter that aggression, I’m okay with that. In fact, I have been there and done that—9 years of my life.
Then you don’t have a slaughter of innocents or enriched bankers or whatever blood rituals you evoke. I vote for strength and deterrence. Not wishful thinking for “peace in our time” per Neville Chamberlain’s faux pas.
To be prepared for war is the most effectual means of preserving peace.
—George Washington, First Address to Congress
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