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To: woodpusher; bimboeruption

You don’t seem to get the essence what I meant. I answered someone who said the “Ukraine is not an ally”!
Who cares about these 5 words (treaty, agreement, accord, charter, memorandum, etc.) because they all point to the same thing: PARTNERSHIP and ALLIED activity!

Do you really think the points here below are indicating that America is NOT allied to Ukraine?? Really?

U.S. Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership (= Allies)

Preamble
The United States of America and Ukraine:

Affirm the importance of our relationship as friends and strategic partners. We intend to deepen our partnership to the benefit of both nations and expand our cooperation across a broad spectrum of mutual priorities.

Emphasize that this cooperation between our two democracies is based on shared values and interests. These include expanding democracy and economic freedom, protecting security and territorial integrity, strengthening the rule of law, and supporting innovation and technological advances.

Stress our mutual desire to strengthen our relationship across the economic, political, diplomatic, cultural, and security fields.

Confirm the importance of the security assurances described in the Trilateral Statement by the Presidents of the U.S., Russian Federation and Ukraine of January 14, 1994, and the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of December 5, 1994.

Affirm the Priorities for U.S.-Ukraine Cooperation (Road Map) signed on March 31, 2008 and the commitments to a strategic partnership made by Presidents Bush and Yushchenko on April 4, 2005.


89 posted on 04/12/2024 8:00:50 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE; bimboeruption
Who cares about these 5 words (treaty, agreement, accord, charter, memorandum, etc.) because they all point to the same thing: PARTNERSHIP and ALLIED activity!

A Treaty is capable of creating a binding legal obligation, but requires Senate confirmation. The Budapest Memorandum did not create a legal obligation and everybody treated it as such. Nobody put boots on the ground for Ukraine and nobody was legally obligated to do so. Possibly, Ukraine might care. It appears ALLIED activity on the ground in Ukraine is not a thing. Those just trying to B.S. their way through might care enough to try to misrepresent a non-treaty as a treaty. Do prattle on.

93 posted on 04/12/2024 2:42:19 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: USA-FRANCE
Do you really think the points here below are indicating that America is NOT allied to Ukraine?? Really?

U.S. Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership (= Allies)

REALLY!!

"[S]igning empty agreements, including vaguely signaling support for Ukraine’s sovereignty in November 2021" does not make allies. "Ukraine is not an ally."

https://www.defensepriorities.org/explainers/who-is-an-ally-and-why-does-it-matter

WHO IS AN ALLY, AND WHY DOES IT MATTER?

Natalie Armbruster and Benjamin H. Friedman October 12, 2022, at page 6:

As has become clear since Russia attacked it in February 2022, Ukraine is not a U.S. ally. Despite the heavy U.S. support that makes it a quasi-ally—over $60 billion in aid this year, intelligence support, and years of arms shipments and military training—the limit of the U.S. commitment is clear: no direct military involvement. As discussed below, this limit was sometimes deliberately obscured by top U.S. officials in their rhetoric and by the U.S. policies of holding open the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO and signing empty agreements, including vaguely signaling support for Ukraine’s sovereignty in November 2021.


95 posted on 04/12/2024 7:40:05 PM PDT by woodpusher
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