Posted on 04/09/2024 3:27:10 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
Some of the firestorm of public outrage over a Sublette County man allegedly capturing and tormenting a wolf before killing it has been directed at the Wyoming Game and Fish Department, but the agency is in a delicate position, Director Brian Nesvik said.
There has been a perception that the agency was too lenient with the man accused and has deliberately withheld information about the incident, Nesvik told Cowboy State Daily early Monday.
But that’s not the case, he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at cowboystatedaily.com ...
You should watch predatory animals. They don’t just hunt for survival.
You should also probably live in a region infected by federal wolves and understand how it is hurting the local population and economy before you pass judgment.
You really should do some research at a game and fish dept website-That particular animal was wiped out by dumb humans over a century ago who didn’t want it there and has been re-introduced to its natural habitat that it had lived in for 1000’s of years. After wolves were gone-the coyotes filled the gap, and are more lethal and breed faster than any wolves ever did-they also are not afraid of humans-so they kill way more livestock animals-they do that here, too-coyotes can carry off every chicken in a henhouse in minutes, and be a mile away. Nature needs a predator/prey balance-look it up if you don’t think that is true...
Do you accept every woke meme fed to you by the government, or just regarding wolves?
There is a reason every civilization wiped out wolves (if they could), and it wasn’t because wolves were incredible caretakers of the environment and mother earth.
Regarding coyotes being more lethal than wolves, can I have whatever you are smoking, cause that is some strong stuff? Any of a fox, a cat, and a weasel will also empty out a henhouse in minutes, that doesn’t make them more lethal than wolves. And yes, I know that coyotes will (occassionally) kill a calf or foal, but a coyote causes nowhere near the damage to a herd that a wolf will, and that isn’t even debatable. For example, reintroduction of the wolf to Yellowstone decimated the local elk herds, and there were coyotes there the whole time.
Since you say you have been hunting for most of your life, I am sure you appreciate that you were providing the predator-prey balance to nature. There are lots of ways to keep that balance. You don’t need a wolf.
That man is an ignorant ass and got off way too light. Yeah it’s a predator, but it is far from the worst menace in the wilds. Even then, when it’s a menace, you shoot it.
But this jackass chased it to exhaustion on a snowmobile, then taped it’s mouth shut, and abused it at a bar all night, then killed it.
A 250 dollar fine is way too light. He needs some jail time for that kind of animal cruelty.
He’s a coward. Thinks he a big man...
As a Texan, I have never been proven wrong. There is nothing more sadistic corrupt and ignorant than a Wyoming rancher. IF this guy is a rancher.
You made me smile.
They hired Tom Horn, and then sent him to hang for doing what they hired him to do. Hanging him kept them out of the spotlight.
I believe my own lying eyes-not govt-regarding just about anything, so don’t make assumptions about someone you do not know, sir-and there is no need to be rude, either. I am a health nut-do not eat any non-organic, processed food-only grass-fed meat, fresh veggies etc-I do not use any drugs, prescription or illicit and seldom OTC. I seldom drink-so no, I don’t have any strong smoking/drinking stuff-again, don’t make assumptions-it is rude.
If you have ever studied/observed the natural world, you would see that introduced predators are never as good at keeping natural balance as the original ones-that is why there are game counts and hunting seasons with licenses for both predator and prey-to keep the balance. I was raised on a ranch in W. Texas and I live in a remote area now-so I know a bit about coyotes and livestock. Feral dogs in packs are actually the worst killers of livestock-beats both coyotes and wolves-fortunately, packs of feral dogs are dispatched as soon as they are known to be raiding livestock. Coyotes are more clever than dogs or wolves and hard to control for a natural balance.
And yes, coyotes can take more than one or two calves/goats now and then-a good sized pack can do more-and as I said before-they are NOT afraid of humans where wolves are-coyotes take pet cats and dogs all the time from yards as fast food here-and have attacked humans more than once-do not go alone in coyote territory.
He is not a man-he is a coward and a wuss...
Well said.
That AH wouldn't want me as a juror.
But even if I accept your argument, that does not give that man the right to torture the wolf. That man was nothing more than a sadistic bully. He was cruel to (by that time) a defenseless animal. He should go to jail.
That sounds rather fitting for the present circumstance.
And yet you believe that wolves are not that dangerous.
If you are from Texas, you probably have never encountered wolves as the last ones were killed in 1970. Since then there have not been any known wolves in Texas.
(https://mexicanwolves.org/a-history-of-wolves-in-texas-from-native-top-predators-to-a-fading-memory/)
Having seen the carnage that a small number of wolves can inflict on sheep overnight, I’d rather deal with coyotes than wolves any day.
I think your deep respect for coyotes is born of the fact that you have not dealt with larger predators. Coyotes can be dangerous, but, ultimately, they are still small predators. When I have hunted coyotes, I have never worried about them, normally, if I a thinking about predator risks, I am worrying about mountain lions and bears.
Wolves on the other hand are apex predators, and full grown males can weigh close to 200 pounds. I disagree with your statement that coyotes are not afraid of humans. Every coyote I have encountered has treated me with respect indicating its belief that I could be dangerous. I suspect that coyotes are not as afraid of humans as they used to be, but that is merely because we do not kill them with sufficient enthusiasm to warrant fear.
Again you are making incorrect assumptions-where do you live? I have lived around coyotes all my life, as well as mountain lions, snakes, feral hogs, etc-I know what predators behave in what way. We have plenty of mountain lions here, and I walk in the woods all the time, like a lot of other people do-if I see their tracks near the trail I’m on, I back out of that trail, waving my arms and singing loudly. I also carry bear spray. Not a sidearm because you don’t know who might be in the woods, and shooting is not a good idea with neighbors and goats, cattle, etc only a few acres away.
There is livestock all over the place-no mountain lion kills in over 30 years-just coyotes and feral dog kills. There has never been a human killed or seriously injured by a mountain lion int this state ever-no bear attacks, either.
My 1st husband and I lived off grid in a remote area of NM for awhile, where there are a lot of bears and mountain lions. No one in those remote areas had a bear or lion problem-but the idiots in the burbs who moved there from Cali did-because they feed the bears and mountain lions, just like in Cali-which is why there are so many predator attacks there-duh!
Unlike people in California and a couple of other states, we have sense enough to leave the predators alone and we do not tempt tempt them by leaving out trash, pet food or pets. We also fence livestock with 6-8 ft game fencing-sometimes with an electric top or bottom wire to keep stock in and predators out.
There are bears in this county-west of here, but coming this way. They were re-introduced-along with the Mexican wolves-because the stupid people killed them all and unbalanced everything-so the fish and game people put them back-oh, the horror! we’re all going to die, along with our livestock-if we don’t kill them again- now! NOT...
People here are not into killing any animal to extinction-not is it going to be allowed by the game wardens in any case-the fines for that are ruinous-we need natural balance since so many people hunt-game animals need to be healthy and that means the proper balance of predator and prey. Too many coyotes-and the damn feral hogs-f*** that up, but mountain lions do eat the hogs when they can ambush them, and maybe the bears will like them, too. We do not kill animals with “sufficient enthusiasm” to make them extinct-it isn’t allowed any more than poaching is. We just learn to live with the animals in the natural world-any one who can’t needs to live in a city, period. I choose to live where there are woods, fields, livestock and wild animals but not a lot of people-and I don’t have a problem with any predators or prey who are living in those woods-they are to be appreciated at a distance, not ever approached or tempted with food-and left strictly alone.
“You live by the sword, you die by the sword. I shed no tears for an animal that feasts on prey intestines ripped out of the animals anus while still alive.”
I guess that would mean you’d have no problem with torturing lions, bears, lions, orcas....and bald eagles, because in your moral calculus they’re “evil.”
I did not say that they are evil, just that it is a predator. I don’t anthromorphize wild animals and state that they don’t deserve whatever death they received because of their morality or immorality.
Nature is brutal, most predators kill for fun, and eventually, they find themselves on the other side of the equation. (Go watch videos of old male lions having their balls ripped off by the younger males in their pride). I don’t mourn any wild animal that suffers a “natural” death. I have even less sympathy for wolves because they are dangerous to humans and human enterprise.
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