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To: kabar; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...

Ukraine ping

kabar: [You underestimate the courage and tenacity of the Russian people. Read Harrison Salisbury’s book, The 900 Days, about the seige of Leningrad. Or read about the Battle of Kursk.

The Soviets inflicted 76% of all the German military deaths during WWII. Yes, we provided significant amounts of war materiel and logistical assistance, but the Soviets deserve the lion’s share of the credit for defeating the Nazis. Revisionist history doesn’t change the facts.]


That wasn’t courage. It was desperation - the knowledge that the Germans intended to kill every last one of them, and repopulate Russia’s lands with pur sang Aryans of verifiable German bloodlines. The Russians could risk death by fighting or guarantee their own deaths by surrendering.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_annihilation#Nazi_warfare

Whether the motivation, the Russians supplied the German war effort against the West until Germany attacked them. Russia was the one Axis power that switched sides and ended up a victor.

And, as Stalin and Khrushchev established, Russia would have lost without massive Western aid. Given that Russia received the equivalent of $3T from the US, relative to today’s US economy, it’s clear that Ukraine has received a pittance and very little equipment (0 planes and two dozen tanks) compared to the 14,000 planes and 13,000 tanks the US supplied to Russia in WW2.

Note that Ukrainians were equally engaged in this literal war of survival - it lost 16% of its population vs Russia’s 13%. The idea that Ukrainians lack fighting spirit is nonsense. In the postwar era, hundreds of thousands lost their lives in a doomed revolt against their Russian overlords with no Western material support.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Spring_1945%E2%80%93late_1946


42 posted on 04/08/2024 2:31:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

Stalin killed millions of his own people. He had soldiers sent into combat with no rifles, they were suppose to pickup the rifles of those killed ahead of them. They could not turn back or they would be shot by the commissars. His actions prior to the war would also be the cause of millions being killed then and later during the war.


50 posted on 04/08/2024 3:08:46 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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Thanks Zhang Fei. Also, in WWII most of the combat, time spent, and troops for Germany were on the eastern front.

77 posted on 04/08/2024 6:42:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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