“Any half decent history of Russia will tell you that Moscow didn’t exist even as a local power until the Mongol hegemony in the 13th and 14th centuries.”
So you think nobody lived in the region until the 13th century and were not going around taking over villages that had food and other worth? And if they were, they were just great people that didn’t harm anyone for their personal needs?
You’re right about the city of Moscow. But Moscow had nothing to do with the villages and the warring going on between them at that time. And the article this thread is based on didn’t say that Moscow was attacking, they displayed Russia was. And there’s a whole lot more to that region than just Moscow and was in the 9th century.
I don’t claim anything. But even common sense should point out that there were villages and early people that at some point went into the region and some settled there. And countries are not created from a whole lot of people suddenly appearing in the region without there being much smaller numbers prior to that. That’s how countires are formed.And they had to survive so attacking their neighbors was no different than in the US. And the explorers and pioneers were the way our towns, states, and ultimately our country’s borders were established. And if the country retained the principles of taking other cities and countries was the answer to their advancement, then they will act this way. Two other countries that did the sme thing were Japan and Germany in the mid 1900’s.
wy69
“Any half decent history of Russia will tell you that Moscow didn’t exist even as a local power until the Mongol hegemony in the 13th and 14th centuries.”
So you think nobody lived in the region until the 13th century and were not going around taking over villages that had food and other worth? And if they were, they were just great people that didn’t harm anyone for their personal needs?
You’re right about the city of Moscow. But Moscow had nothing to do with the villages and the warring going on between them at that time. And the article this thread is based on didn’t say that Moscow was attacking, they displayed Russia was. And there’s a whole lot more to that region than just Moscow and was in the 9th century.
I don’t claim anything. But even common sense should point out that there were villages and early people that at some point went into the region and some settled there. And countries are not created from a whole lot of people suddenly appearing in the region without there being much smaller numbers prior to that. That’s how countires are formed.And they had to survive so attacking their neighbors was no different than in the US. And the explorers and pioneers were the way our towns, states, and ultimately our country’s borders were established. And if the country retained the principles of taking other cities and countries was the answer to their advancement, then they will act this way. Two other countries that did the sme thing were Japan and Germany in the mid 1900’s.
wy69
Given your knowledge of eastern European history, perhaps you can help clarify or confirm some thoughts about my own ancestry. Recently my son had his DNA tested and with this service also was given information about mother and father. I am a woman, and my mother’s parents left East Prussia around 1890 to come to the US. I have little information about my grandfather except that he was from Pozen/Posnan (currently Poland) and as a marine engineer the Prussian Navy was not too happy about the Kaiser’s goals.
Grandmother’s father a man named von xxxxx owned 1,000 acres in East Prussia (near Kerningsberg), but was forced to sell all the land except 20 acres and the buildings to buy expensive potatoes to fulfill Army contracts for 1871 war, because his potatoes were killed by blight. Shirer refers to “the impoverished Prussian petit nobility” in a book about Germany. My great grandfather was one of those, he gave up his title and took a court secretary job. I have been told his ancestors were “robber barons”, also that an ancestor was mayor of Kerningsberg. My son said my DNA appeared to be strong Baltic and German, with also significant Welsh/English (reflecting my father’s genes), but there was also 6 to 9% far, far Eastern DNA. So given that snapshot of DNA, I am wondering if the fact my grandmother’s ancestry was petit nobility, and there were various far Eastern conquerors, like Golden Hoard, Mongols, etc. What was the most likely source of my far Eastern DNA.
My mothers siblings and my cousins are fairly evenly divided between the dark ones and the blond ones. I am dark haired with hazel/brown-green eyes. My husband was mostly Scottish heritage, with red hair and light blue eyes, so I was surprised when both my sons were born with very dark brown eyes. My thought was that perhaps I had recessive dark brown far eastern/oriental eye genes, which came up dark brown with his very recessive light blue eyes. Then his mother told him he was 1/16th Canadian Cree Indian. So now I also wonder if the Asian dark eye gene could be recessive to the light blue/European eye. On the other hand I think my husband had a higher than usual amount of Neanderthal DNA given his hairy body, massive muscular build, early adult maturation (age13), explosive anger, and high pain tolerance. I don’t know if I have much Neanderthal DNA, but I do have the shoveling dent in my upper lateral incisors which can be indicative of them. Some day I hope to get my own DNA tested with a company that also does Neanderthal and maybe even Denisovan by the time I do it.
Any ideas you can come up with given the data at hand would be appreciated. Cheers, and belated happy Easter