Posted on 03/23/2024 4:20:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Like a obedient little vatnik, it’s just posting what it’s master (putin) tells it to post.
Yes that’s likely, fleeing Russia to the safe haven of Russia’ s closest ally.
“Did you know the Crusades and Atlantis were CIA operations too?”
Don’t forget the Hindenberg disaster as well.
“Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA”
That’s a lie.
There were TWO distinct mujahedeen groups fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.
There was the Arab mujahedeen, which was equipped and funded by Iran, and the Arab states.... THIS was the group that bin laden was part of. This group is what later became the taliban and al qaida.
The group that was funded, equipped, and trained by the West was the Afghan Mujahedeen. This group later became the Northern Alliance.
Both mujahedeen groups fought each other almost as much as they fought the soviets.
And al qaida means The Base, NOT “The Database”🙄
Just like we see the Russians at fault and behind everything today, so do they with us.
We played with radical Islamist types for years when it benefited us through most of the Cold War.
The fact that it’s a “Muslim attack” does not mean we or Ukraine didn’t light this fire.
Nations are often behind Islamist based terror groups as enablers to varying degrees, using them as proxies in a game of, “the enemy of your enemy is your friend.”: allowing the money to flow, providing safe haven for training, logistics, providing intel, weapons, refuge to flee to...
(Good macro level history write up) https://www.salon.com/2015/10/18/america_enabled_radical_islam_how_the_cia_george_w_bush_and_many_others_helped_create_isis/
(common knowledge and far from complete / comprehensive): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
(how we indirectly created ISIS): https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2015/11/spread-wahhabism-and-west-s-responsibility-world
(Our love affair with Saudi Arabia): https://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10719728/us-saudi-arabia-allies This is also why long term Israel is screwed. For us, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are economically more important and frankly starting in the 70s we more and more built our entire Middle East strategy around Saudi Arabia. Israel may be right in all their arguments, but we will abandon them.
***Are you denying nations and intel services (including us) do not use these groups and ideologies at times in a bigger chess game for their own purpose? That’s pretty much documented fact.***
***While I do not claim that we were behind Moscow or even involved on the Periphery (unproven / speculation), the idea that we and others (Ukraine) do not play games with radical groups should not be hand-waved off. It’s (((possible))).***
Since Russia took 4 of them alive, now going through all the information post mortem, Russia should be able to piece things together fairly quickly and accurately: 4 subjects, video surveillance, money trail, digital communications, weapons and artifact, contact lists on phones and computers, serial numbers on weapons, WAC codes on phones... There is going to be information which at a minimum leads to more and useful information. This is important to the Russians, so they are going to run down all the leads.
99% of law enforcement is minimal effort, because the ends do not justify the means. Are you really going to start a major investigation which costs >$100,000 on some petty crime? When all the mechanisms and tools are brought into an investigation, it is truly awe inspiring.
What’s important now, if Russia wants the “truth,” is that they do not create the answer they seek, like we did with Iraq 2003 and WMD (bad intel work - assuming it wasn’t intentional). After the fact, there is a lot of evidence and it can be pieced together in different ways, leading to different conclusions. Not everything is trustworthy information. Not all information carries the same weight. Societies bias and the political pressures often create a scenario where law enforcement or intel agencies sort of validate a forgone conclusion rather than letting the evidence truly dictate what the outcome of the investigation / analytical product is.
Bottom line: You can’t hand-wave Ukrainian or even our involvement off. It’s possible, even if we do not want to believe that. Time will tell and if the Russians find anything, they will surely blast it out to the public on the biggest loudspeaker they can find.
“Wrong. Stop making S up.”
It’s all the resident Blame America crowd has. There are no bounds to their absurd claims as long as America looks bad.
“There’s no help for these Ukrainian haters. There is no proof in the world that you could show them. They remind me of the vaxxers.”
These people don’t just hate Ukraine, they hate America and our allies.
Just look how fast they blamed America for the recent attack in Moscow. Look at how they blamed the West in general, and America specifically for Nordstream.... All without a single shred of evidence to support their claims.
“Who paid and directed them?”
Who says they were even paid?
And here is something to consider...
The possibility that the attackers could be disgruntled former Wagnerites who are pissed off at what Putin did to their boss.
“That’s a lie.”
In a world where the US intelligence community reported the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation, the biggest challenge is identifying information sources you can trust.
The CIA is not one of them.
But that’s just me.
I am sure most people here are aware on the evening of September 10, 2001, George Bush, Sr. was dining with Osama bin Laden’s brother at a Carlyle Group function at the Waldorf Astoria in DC. Like his son, Bush, Sr. departed the fix before the planes started crashing.
“It’s all the resident Blame America crowd has. There are no bounds to their absurd claims as long as America looks bad.”
I would say jailing Americans for praying is making America look bad.
FBI agents harassing Americans at their front door for exercising their first amendment rights is making America look bad.
The only solution available for us to make America look good again is to elect Donald Trump.
The CIA is really good at covering their tracks—thats all.
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