Posted on 02/21/2024 8:23:07 AM PST by thefactor
The Alabama Supreme Court has ruled that frozen embryos can be considered children under state law, a decision critics said could have sweeping implications for fertility treatment in the state.
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So, I'm thinking... dependents / income tax deductions?
All 257 of 'em?
Regards,
Pissing off women who want to have children but can’t is a really, really dumb move for the GOP. These women are a motivated group of people.
Lol. Shut up you old clown.
IVF should be done in another country anyhow.
You can take an airplane, start the process, spend a couple of weeks traveling, finish the treatment, then fly back home for about a tenth of what just the treatment costs in the United States.
Our healthcare costs really are that insanely expensive.
LOL! You have ZERO idea about the IVF process. ZERO.
How freezing embryos is legal in the first place is what I can’t figure out.
During the IVF process the woman will take birth control, then has to shoot herself full of hormones for weeks in order to encourage egg production. Then they harvest as many as they are able to. Usually the number of harvested eggs is around 10 or so. They eggs are tested and fertilized. After that, the fertilized eggs are tested again. If you’re lucky, you get 2-3 viable embryos. This process takes months. You have to freeze them to keep them viable.
How freezing embryos is legal in the first place is what I can’t figure out.
Bingo!
As if the Dobbs decision weren’t enough, rulings like this keep abortion/choice front and center for the much disparaged but critically important suburban women’s vote.
People can have different takes on exclusions for rape, on cut-offs at 4 months, or on a number of nuanced other issues, but a lot of women know other women who have benefited from IVF. This ruling is an albatross to the party.
That question reveals the unspeakable truth. IVF is an abomination; the process involves creating MANY embryonic people, most of whom are destined to be killed in the freezer.
Tasteless post.
“Tasteless post.”
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Why would you, with your morals, consider it tasteless to discuss killing of children for convenience or vanity?
“How many children are you and your wife going to kill, to get the one you want?”
Even with normal sex, a fertilized egg has only a 30% chance of implantation.
Basically, almost 3 “lives” are lost for every birth.
Live birth per embryo transfer
Phew! We’ve gotten this far, but it still feels like a numbers game! The most important question to ask at this stage is “What is the chance of a baby each time we transfer an embryo?” The fuzzy answer is that successful embryo implantation is a very intricate and complicated process. And the bottom line is that an euploid embryo has a better chance.
Our expectation: Transfer of an untested blastocyst results in a live birth of about 40-50% each transfer, with a miscarriage risk dependent on the mother’s age. However, your chances are better with a genetically normal, euploid blastocyst which results in pregnancy about 65% of the time with a 10% chance of miscarriage. Transferring two embryos, surprisingly, does not increase the live birth rate. Rather, it only increases the chance of a high-risk twin pregnancy. Ideally, we will only transfer one embryo for the best chance of a healthy pregnancy.
Let’s do the math!
So, we’ve set out our expectations for an IVF cycle, now let’s put the math to work in a hypothetical example with a woman who is under 35 with normal ovarian reserve.
Let’s say that at her egg retrieval ultrasound she has 30 follicles over 16mm. Our expectation is that of those 30 follicles, 80% will have eggs in them, leaving her with 24 eggs. Of those 24 eggs, our expectation is that 80% of these eggs will be mature and able to be fertilized. She now has 19 mature eggs ready for fertilization.
At fertilization, 80% of these eggs fertilized normally, so she now has 15 fertilized eggs ready to be cultured and grown to blastocyst stage. But only 40% of her fertilized eggs make it to 5 days, leaving her now with 6 blastocysts ready to biopsy for PGT analysis. After biopsy, 4 embryos test euploid and are ready for transfer in separate single embryo transfer procedures. Each transfer of a euploid embryo gives her a 60-70% chance of conceiving. And, after 4 separate transfers, she could hypothetically have between 2 and 3 children born through IVF.
https://www.fertilityanswers.com/is-ivf-a-numbers-game/
Prepare for the flood of trick questions, such as: If your child and a bunch of frozen embryos are in a room that is on fire, and you can only rescue one...”?
No I did the very thing I described. It was in Eastern Europe. The doctor had been a professor in the United States then went home to start the clinic.
There were people from all over Europe there.
It was a WHOLE lot less expensive than in the US.
So how do I not know what I am talking about when I actually did it?
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