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To: armydoc
Depends on the state. It's also dubious on constitutional grounds. One legitimate reason is "officer safety." But with compliance before being asked to step out it's hard to say how "officer safety."

As far as his appearance, my barber has tats like that guy and is also huge. He also has a wife and two kids and wouldn't hurt a fly.

And was this even a criminal offense? In most places a traffic ticket a civil offense. So one cop dead, another wounded, and guy with murder charges over a civil offense.

Now that's professional policing! /s

38 posted on 02/19/2024 11:52:00 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15
Depends on the state. It's also dubious on constitutional grounds.

Incorrect. I cited the USSC decision. It applies to all 50 states. You can characterize the USSC decision as "dubious on constitutional grounds" if you like but it will take the USSC to reverse it.

One legitimate reason is "officer safety." But with compliance before being asked to step out it's hard to say how "officer safety."

Police don't need to articulate a reason to get you out of your car. It's a lawful order regardless of your behavior. Obviously, they have to get the guy out of the car to search it after smelling weed.

As far as his appearance, my barber has tats like that guy and is also huge. He also has a wife and two kids and wouldn't hurt a fly

I don't care about his tats. I think the fact that he is a felon who can't legally carry a gun is more relevant.

And was this even a criminal offense? In most places a traffic ticket a civil offense.

Once again, it matters not the type of offense. It was a legitimate traffic stop for failure to maintain a lane, compounded by the odor of weed. Put those together and the officer has a public safety obligation to investigate if he has weed in the car and if he is impaired. Both require him to exit the car

So one cop dead, another wounded, and guy with murder charges over a civil offense

I agree it is tragic that this dirtbag decided to shoot cops rather than get a couple of tickets. Although, he probably realized he would be going back to jail after they found the illegal weapon. So, in reality more than a "civil offense". Regardless, it is 100% the dirtbag's fault and it is absolutely disgusting that you would blame the officers. Sickening.

Now that's professional policing! /s

Yes, that's how professional policing is actually done. I guess in your world anyone could just refuse to comply and be on their way to kill an innocent family in a head-on collision.
50 posted on 02/19/2024 12:23:30 PM PST by armydoc
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