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To: woodpusher

Well done, two years into the war and you took “fortress avdiivka “. The loss of avdiivka is not a surprise to anyone. Relentless artillery and aviation bombing and endless mear waves and sacrificed equipment will do that.
Germans managed to take fortress sevestapol, with far less losses, was the war over for the Soviets?
Ukraine is at a severe disadvantage facing the “2nd greatest military”, with less manpower and dependent on western aid which has been spotty and less than sufficient, and yet two years in and bakmut and avdiivka are your crowning glories?
So gloat, you and your kind took another countries city(what’s left of it), maybe Moscow can make avdiivka it’s sister city and send its resources and technical people to rebuild it while the pipes continue to burst there and pilots with bad smoking habits……
Putin will continue this war, because he has to. To lose means he loses. No much has been made of Ukrainians dying, fascinating how meat waves of Russians is just meh.
Time will tell


80 posted on 02/19/2024 1:49:03 AM PST by blitz128
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To: blitz128
Well done, two years into the war and you took "fortress avdiivka". The loss of avdiivka is not a surprise to anyone.

It should not be a surprise to anyone, just as the impossibility of Ukraine winning a war against Russia should not surprise anyone. Twenty years of active duty tells me that in a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Russia wins. Regardless of who is for or against either side, Russia wins. Regardless of who is better, more moral or more Christian than the other, Russia wins.

And yet,

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4215544/posts

2-6-2024 10:00 P.M. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klJ-ldtx1jg

Ukraine has encircled a large portion of the Russian army in Avdiivka, and are currently wiping out the forces in the pocket and taking Russian POWs.

[...]

The Russians were encircled, desperate, and without hope. In what reality I do not know. That's some powerful hopium there.

I don't give a good hot damn who runs Ukraine. It is a neighborhood problem and it is not in my neighborhood. Ukraine is just proving that when you are not the baddest SOB in your valley, it is not the wisest idea to tell the baddest SOB in the valley that you are going to put an adversarial foreign military base on its border, with missiles aimed at said baddest SOB.

No[t] much has been made of Ukrainians dying, fascinating how meat waves of Russians is just meh. Time will tell.

Time will reveal that the one with artillery and ammunition destroys a whole lot more than those who do not have such things. With time, the enormity of what Zelensky has wrought upon Ukraine will come out in Ukraine, and he will either flee or be hanged by his own people.

Keeping the troops in Avdiivka until it became Avdeyevka was as stupid as what they did at the Azovstol plant. Your fantasies of meat waves is as silly as the Azovstal blather about their execution of the evacuation maneuver, otherwise known as surrender.

It is time for Ukraine to save Ukraine, if that is still possible. Russia has taken territory that produced most of the GDP. Ukraine will be lucky if it is not divided up among Romania, Hungary, and Poland. When the charity stops, Ukraine will find itself defeated, bankrupt, broken and demilitarized. The worse it gets, the less chance they have to survive as a nation state.

111 posted on 02/19/2024 10:57:10 PM PST by woodpusher
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