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Russia says it has evidence US Patriot missiles downed its military transport plane
Reuters ^ | February 1, 2024 | Guy Faulconbridge

Posted on 02/03/2024 1:24:23 PM PST by Navy Patriot

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To: Gaffer

Their own own plans just fall out of the sky. No need to shoot them down.


61 posted on 02/03/2024 3:10:51 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Navy Patriot

GOOD!


62 posted on 02/03/2024 3:13:07 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Navy Patriot
It's not necessary, and they want Diplomatic solutions.

They tried that since 2014. All they got was lies from the US and the EU. In that respect, Putin has admitted he was a fool for believing them. It all could have been avoided with a litle honestly, something the West does not have. For instance:

"She (Merkel) admitted the Minsk agreements were an "attempt to give Ukraine time" and that Kiev had used it "to become stronger."

63 posted on 02/03/2024 3:13:31 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Vermont Lt

Oh, okay. So that Russian A-60 didn’t get shot down by the Ukes, then. It just fell out of the sky, huh? Sheesh.


64 posted on 02/03/2024 3:21:25 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Thank You Rush
what’s so odd about them using what we’ve given to them to use?

Lets start with the notion that the Patriot is a defensive system designed to shoot down incoming missiles, not a shoot and scoot front line offensive weapon. Then move to the part where Ukraine specifically promised not to use Western weapons like this to attack Russian soil.

It was a dumb move on Ukraine's part with unknown implications for the West. Some speculate this is the real reason Zelensky decided to remove Zelushny.

65 posted on 02/03/2024 3:22:34 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Karl Spooner

“They tried that since 2014.”

Yeah, those “green men” all decked out in full battle rattle that descended on Crimea in the middle of the night were just “diplomats”.


66 posted on 02/03/2024 3:25:42 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: steve in DC

Designed in 1969, production from 1976.


67 posted on 02/03/2024 3:28:18 PM PST by PAR35
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To: kiryandil

“”Get yourself up to speed, TYR.””

Heck I’ve been trying to do that for a good number of years. At this date, I’ve given up. If I don’t have the solution to something, just move on to something else that doesn’t have a solution for me. I don’t need to have answers for everything. I’ll go back to my knitting! I can stay out of trouble better that way.

Thanks for the heads up seriously.


68 posted on 02/03/2024 3:28:39 PM PST by Thank You Rush ( )
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To: Navy Patriot

So many times that Ukraine has been shown to be lying and faking events in this war. I don’ ever remember Russia being proven to have done so. If

It seems that these days Lying and Deception is most a deep state thing.


69 posted on 02/03/2024 3:32:12 PM PST by Revel
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To: Vermont Lt
Their own own plans just fall out of the sky. No need to shoot them down.

Does it make any difference to you if your side admitted that they shot it down?

Ukraine floats the theory it may have been tricked into shooting down the plane Russia says was full of Ukrainian POWs

70 posted on 02/03/2024 3:34:25 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Navy Patriot

The Biden regime has been seriously played. Their incompetence and hubris are extreme.


71 posted on 02/03/2024 3:35:25 PM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: McGruff

There are numerous posts on FR about that - do your own research. Not my job.


72 posted on 02/03/2024 3:37:31 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF; McGruff
There are numerous posts on FR about that - do your own research. Not my job.

In other words, ya got zilch, PIF.

73 posted on 02/03/2024 3:39:30 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: Thank You Rush
No disrespect intended, Thank You Rush!

The claims and counterclaims about the conflict in the Ukraine are a Gordian Knot.

Even the Halfrican, who isn't the brightest bulb in the drawer, knew not to mess around with escalating on the Russian border.

The current fools and their sockpuppet in the White Hospice aren't bright enough to stay away from escalation.

74 posted on 02/03/2024 3:44:35 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Yeah, those “green men” all decked out in full battle rattle that descended on Crimea in the middle of the night were just “diplomats”.

That was in response to the US succeeding in the violent overthrowing of the democratically elected president of Ukraine in order to get a US warmonger in there. We are good at that.

75 posted on 02/03/2024 3:48:39 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
You are correct regarding incidents and motivations in the run up to the Ukraine War, however the Russian Federation is still a very bureaucratic entity, and they do discuss and argue a lot while being slow to act and significantly change policy and methods.

Most of Putin's time and speeches are actually reports to various bureaucracies he is required to report to.

Western Media has mislabeled Putin's reports to various bureaucracies and legislative bodies as "Speeches" unilaterally advocating policy when they are reports discussing policy.

Putin does request legislation and policy changes, however he's not guaranteed to get them, and he is required to discuss them with the relevant bureaucracy.

This bureaucracy is powerful, is not going away, and neither is the Russian Federation equivalent of State Department.

That's why Russia uses Diplomacy and Bureaucratic management so much.

And it probably hurts them some.

76 posted on 02/03/2024 3:50:54 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: The Free Engineer
The Biden regime has been seriously played. Their incompetence and hubris are extreme.

Well, that is true.

I don't believe that is the Russians fault.

77 posted on 02/03/2024 3:54:23 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot
Putin has persuaded a lot of countries around the world about the shenanigans of the west by being patient and not overreacting. Whereas they were not sure about that before. His immense popularity has helped him tremendously in overcoming the problems you mention in Russia since the the start of the war.

Also it is one of the reasons countries are jampacked in line waiting to be admitted in BRICS+. They just admitted 6 more countries and 36 more have recently applied. Russia is the sponsor of BRICS. Screw the west's bullying is what they are saying. They all see what the west for what it is and now can see a way out of it.

78 posted on 02/03/2024 4:16:34 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Revel
It seems that these days Lying and Deception is most a deep state thing.

That it is, and it's the American Deep State (Swamp), and the American entities that make up that Deep State, that experienced Americans can certainly detect as Liars after decades of observing them.

When these known and proved Deep State Liars swear that innocent Ukraine is pure and definitely not Nazi, Ukraine is screwed.

So many times that Ukraine has been shown to be lying and faking events in this war.

Which comes as no surprise considering the Lying Deep State, and Lying Prog Socialist Democrat Media supporting them.

79 posted on 02/03/2024 4:18:28 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: kiryandil

I understand...thanks...

I don’t believe the current crop of fools in the WH know much about anything - not even that they are working for a shell of a man but hey - it’s a government paycheck which is opening the door to bigger things on the taxpayer dime...Others who have served in the WH have the habit of never disappearing. Makes me shudder when news reports mention that idiot Jake Sullivan is/was conferring with foreign leaders..


80 posted on 02/03/2024 4:27:53 PM PST by Thank You Rush ( )
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