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Window on Boeing 737 Cracks During Flight in Japan
The Daily Beast ^
| Jan. 13, 2024
| Edith Olmsted
Posted on 01/13/2024 1:21:47 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Must see: Movie (UK-1951) Starring Jimmy Stewart: “No Highway in the Sky”. Deals with Metal Fatigue in Airliners. A great and prophetic film. Deals with this subject.
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posted on
01/13/2024 3:05:49 PM PST
by
Torahman
(Remember the Maccabees )
To: MinorityRepublican
How many people are flying to Toyama, like 3?
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posted on
01/13/2024 3:41:26 PM PST
by
struggle
To: MinorityRepublican
When meritocracy is not used, failure always follows.
In battle would you rather be led by General Patton or a diversity candidate? It is your ass on the line!
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:10:11 PM PST
by
cpdiii
(cane cutter-deckhand-oilfield roughneck-drilling fluiids tech-geologist-pilot-instructor-pharmacist)
To: MinorityRepublican
Windshield cracks and damage on airplanes are not that uncommon. This just happens to be a 737.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/columnist/cox/2019/08/08/ask-captain-how-dangerous-cracked-cockpit-windshield/1943362001/
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:12:31 PM PST
by
pfflier
To: noiseman
I suspect the window door plug was well designed and good. This is old technology and nothing new. I suspect poor installation was the problem due to lack of standards on the assembly line. The real question is why the lack of standards.
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:14:17 PM PST
by
cpdiii
(cane cutter-deckhand-oilfield roughneck-drilling fluiids tech-geologist-pilot-instructor-pharmacist)
To: MinorityRepublican
In those two crashes there were major questions about the quality of pilot training vs US protocols for handling emergencies.
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:15:36 PM PST
by
pfflier
To: LukeL
To: pfflier
In those two crashes there were major questions about the quality of pilot training vs US protocols for handling emergencies.Historically, most of the American pilots have served time in the military. So they have experience in dealing with emergencies. But now we are having an increasing number of civilian pilots. And they are becoming more diverse. So their training is unlikely going to be like it was in the past.
So that is going to be a problem when they're flying the 737 Max.
To: MinorityRepublican
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:36:08 PM PST
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: DIRTYSECRET
Airbus has an aeronautical engineer CEO, while Boeing has an accountant.
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:39:12 PM PST
by
Bonemaker
(invictus maneo)
To: MinorityRepublican
Any Japanese employee found responsible would run a sword through his guts while an American in the same boat would be transferred to a different section.
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:43:42 PM PST
by
Bonemaker
(invictus maneo)
To: All
has anyone considered the role of Godzilla in this event?
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:56:56 PM PST
by
Peter ODonnell
(Prayers up for Jim Robinson and family ... an island of sanity in a sea of madness. )
To: Peter ODonnell
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posted on
01/13/2024 4:58:28 PM PST
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: noiseman
Probably true. However, present-day Boeing is obviously no longer the premier company that it once was. The MCAS debacle was a shocking failure at every level that still calls into serious question Boeing’s management priorities. They never should have allowed an aircraft to be designed with negative stability, and then tried to quietly paper over the deficiency with (defective) software that they hid from the flight crews. Their priority in that case was clearly not safety, but instead the desire to save time and money by preventing the Max from having to be certified as a new design. Several hundred people are now dead as a direct result of their misplaced priorities. They should have designed an entirely new aircraft. But barring that, they should at least have been transparent about the fact that retrofitting the aging 737 airframe with engines so large that they had to be shifted forward, causing the aircraft to pitch up in turns, was being counteracted through novel software that would control the trim in an unintuitive manner.What an awful thing, so many lives lost because they thought structure could be fixed with software, to save money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System
To: MinorityRepublican
Yes it's true military flying is much different and it can involve flying a damaged or marginalized airplane that civil pilots rarely encounter.
I also think going into the mix is that pilots, in general, are becoming more systems managers and less aviators.
The Air France crash, years ago in the Atlantic, was a classic demonstration of that. The crew didn't recognize or know they had to fly out of a stall that their automated systems created with a frozen pitot tube.
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posted on
01/13/2024 5:31:29 PM PST
by
pfflier
To: pfflier
Planes can pretty much fly themselves, but the pilot is there for when things go wrong.
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posted on
01/13/2024 5:33:56 PM PST
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: dfwgator
Yup, planes pretty much fly themselves until something goes wrong. Just like Tesla cars.
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posted on
01/13/2024 5:50:50 PM PST
by
pfflier
To: pfflier
I also think going into the mix is that pilots, in general, are becoming more systems managers and less aviators.
Bingo. How much of what used to be the “work” of a flight that is thrown off to software is scary.
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posted on
01/14/2024 6:45:14 AM PST
by
TalBlack
(I We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
To: PAR35
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posted on
01/14/2024 7:49:12 AM PST
by
SaxxonWoods
(Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yep. I got called a “hater” and “alarmist” for saying the same thing last week. I don’t care. They blew it for me.
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