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To: jeffersondem
“But if you want to argue counties as well as states have the right to secede from the union I guess I am obligated to listen with an open mind.”

I’m not arguing about that. I started by asking a question about people, not by making an argument about anything. It went South from there, so to speak.

Post 4 quotes the Tenth Amendment (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”) in support of the position that “The states had an absolute right to withdraw from the union…because of the clear language of the 10th amendment to the constitution…”. Note that the position did not address “the people”.

My question was: “Does that mean the people of a municipality can, on their own say so, secede from the county and state the municipality is in or that the people of a county in a state can, on their own say so, secede from the state or from the United States?”

As I wrote, it went South from there, so to speak.

156 posted on 01/02/2024 9:13:31 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: KrisKrinkle; DiogenesLamp; Captain Jack Aubrey; central_va; Pelham; rustbucket
“Does that mean the people of a municipality can, on their own say so, secede from the county and state the municipality is in or that the people of a county in a state can, on their own say so, secede from the state or from the United States?”

It might mean that in some universe, but it is foreign to good governance as envisioned by founders of the DOI and Constitution.

Colonies were created by Kings. States were created by colonists on July 4, 1776.

The colonists who signed the DOI did so under the aegis of the colony/state; they were not there representing a crossroad hamlet with one tavern and two houses.

The language of the DOI gives insight into their thinking: “and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.”

It doesn't seem reasonable to think the founders viewed one small village - or even a local community - capable of sustainably doing these things.

157 posted on 01/03/2024 6:44:57 AM PST by jeffersondem
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