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J.D. Vance says Ukraine will have to ‘cede some territory’
1ft.io ^ | 10 Dec23 | Ramsey Touchberry

Posted on 12/11/2023 4:51:35 PM PST by delta7

Sen. J.D. Vance said Sunday that U.S. officials should accept the notion that Ukraine is likely to “cede some territory” in its fight against unprovoked Russian aggression. The Ohio Republican’s remarks come as Congress weighs more aid for Ukraine, with Democrats calling for additional assistance with few if any strings attached and Republicans trying to link aid to more funding to secure the southern U.S. border. “What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians and we need to bring this war to a close,” Mr. Vance, who opposes more aid, said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict, the thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.” President Biden has requested another $60 billion for Ukraine as part of a $110 billion national security package that also includes money for Israel and Taiwan. “On the Ukraine question, in particular, everybody with a brain in their head knows this was always going to end in negotiation,” Mr. Vance said. “The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 border was preposterous. Nobody actually believed it.”

What we’re saying to the president, and really to the entire world, is ‘You need to articulate what the ambition is. What is $61 billion going to accomplish that $100 billion hasn’t?’” he added.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: appeasement; land4peace; war
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

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41 posted on 12/11/2023 5:49:02 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: bankwalker
Maybe it's one of USMC’s Moms kids. Ya know, following into the Grifts footsteps. Bad start.
Its sad. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Moms should know to feed the kid a Great Big Denny's Grand Slam.
Pray for the child. ;)
42 posted on 12/11/2023 5:54:12 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: Reily
The subject is one of satire...a jest. No One really expects such a thing to really happen. But one does hold a great deal of animosity toward those who live in and around the DC area.. Sometimes a cheap shot at the liberal elites feels good to the soul, and sometimes a little truth oozes out... :)
43 posted on 12/11/2023 5:58:37 PM PST by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: Wuli

“That old tale again.”

Do you believe the Holocaust really happened?


44 posted on 12/11/2023 6:01:49 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: delta7

Is Vance going to invade to enforce this?


45 posted on 12/11/2023 6:06:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: All

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Zelensky got a Heroes welcome!

Vance is what one of 5?

The Ukraine Money 💰 is a done deal, again!


46 posted on 12/11/2023 6:07:02 PM PST by AnthonySoprano (Impeachment Inquiry is necessary since Deep State is blocking )
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To: delta7

The only saving grace to this entire goat rope is that Putin does not want all of Ukraine - just a slice.

The terms of surrender will be hard to swallow after all the death and destruction since they will much more severe that the terms two weeks into the conflict over a year ago but at least the Ukraine will probably not be over run.


47 posted on 12/11/2023 6:07:05 PM PST by rdcbn1
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

There’s a word for that post: APOPHENIA


48 posted on 12/11/2023 6:14:53 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: POGO163

If they attack a NATO country, it is WWIII, which no one can win except China.

It is pure BS to invoke another Domino Theory. It was the same kind of rationale used to get us involved in Vietnam.


49 posted on 12/11/2023 6:28:00 PM PST by kabar
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To: unread

Ok


50 posted on 12/11/2023 6:32:40 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: MotorCityBuck

“ Maybe it’s one of USMC’s Moms kids…”
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Don’t insult the Marines…. it’s ‘UMC Mom’. ;-)


51 posted on 12/11/2023 7:21:32 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAo p)
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To: delta7

Zelenskyy has decided to offer Ohio to Russia. That should make Senator Vance happy.


52 posted on 12/11/2023 7:27:49 PM PST by devere
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To: POGO163

Welcome to FR Newby!

Whose soldiers are you trying to save?


53 posted on 12/11/2023 7:37:11 PM PST by caver
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To: delta7

They won’t. And the crease fire is meaning to be another Minsk style ruse.

Merkel literally said it was was is nothing but a chance to build up forces. It was a lie and a scam. Just like negotiations now for a cease-fire are designed to take the pressure off Ukraine, and turn it into what they call a frozen conflict like Korea. Ukraine will not relinquish their dubious claim to Crimea and the Donbass. But they are on the ropes right now.

The scam now is to get a cease-fire, then without risk, NATO led by us and the Brits, intends to flood Ukraine with all the military equipment we can get, fighter squadrons, as many missiles as we can buy from Raytheon, ammo, tracks etc. Then we will conclude a NATO-lite defense pact with Ukraine, if not outright membership. We would flood the country with advisors and trainers...after all, there is no conflict at that point, right? That will make any Russian attack on building nazi forces as an attack on NATO.

But we will not end the sanctions or return the cash, bullion, or looted yachts and real estate. We will not rebuild and restart Nordstream. Also, even if Ukraine agrees to a cease fire, they will keep up with the SBU terror attacks and assassinations and everyone knows it.

It is in the Russian interest to keep shooting.


54 posted on 12/11/2023 7:46:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up.)
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To: Wuli

“How does an American congress critter get to dictate Ukraine’s policy on its defense?”

Because he pays for it, that’s why. The borrower/beggar (Ukraine) does not set the policy, the lender (US) does.


55 posted on 12/11/2023 7:49:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up.)
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To: delta7

One square inch is too much.


56 posted on 12/11/2023 8:03:26 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist .)
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To: McGruff

Let Russia keep Crimea, and let them take Luhansk and Donetsk. Ukraine gets back Kherson and Zaporizhia. Everyone stop fighting and retreat to separate corners. All POWs and other peoples returned.

End sanctions, and Russia can sell gas and oil to Europe again. A percentage of those sales goes to rebuild destroyed buildings and infrastructure in both parts—Donbass and Ukraine.

No dictates on government makeup or alliances.


57 posted on 12/11/2023 8:06:10 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: DesertRhino

Merkel and her WEF EU allies “literally” continued business as almost usual with Putin after he stole Crimea at gunpoint including, of course, building the Nordstream2 pipeline opposed by nearly every EU country in the region. But don’t let the historical facts get in the way of your dogma.


58 posted on 12/11/2023 8:36:44 PM PST by lodi90
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To: kiryandil

Where can I git me an autographed pic of Denys riding in the jumpseat of that 737 on his way to Switzerland?


59 posted on 12/11/2023 8:42:04 PM PST by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: cabojoe
I hear the Consortium has a direct line into the Luzern office.   
60 posted on 12/11/2023 8:48:43 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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