“My understanding, after watching hundreds of videos of those guys who go around videoing, it’s suspicion of a crime, not actually charging someone........where ID must be produced. You don’t have to be charged, but there must be suspicion of a crime and then you must produce ID. They may not ulimately charge you....but there must be suspicion required.
They cannot just demand ID without suspicion. That’s the test. AS I understand it.”
Absolutely. And suspicion legally requires probable cause that can be proved. They can’t just stop someone walking along the sidewalk, street, or public space and ID them without probable cause. If you are just riding in the back seat of a vehicle they cannot ID you without probable cause against just you as an individual. Even “guilt by association” does not give them the right. They have to have something directly against you personally.
It only stands to reason that you cannot be required to provide ID if you are not required to carry ID. We are not required to carry ID in America, unless we are driving.