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To: Openurmind

No. I just explained the law as I understand it and researched it and how the courts ruled.

Soros DA’s are applying the law as you argue it should be applied. How is it working out? Is crime getting better in those cities or worse? Would you want to walk the street where criminals have been set free because the left wants the Constitution to be used to burn the country down?


155 posted on 12/09/2023 9:46:14 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: Jonty30

“Soros DA’s are applying the law as you argue it should be applied. How is it working out? Is crime getting better in those cities or worse? Would you want to walk the street where criminals have been set free because the left wants the Constitution to be used to burn the country down?”

Wait... We are debating about two whole different forks of the justice system now. Each needs to be addressed separately, not lumped together. One is the officer’s interaction, the second is “the system” once the officer throws you into it or not depending on how authoritarian “Nazi” they are.

Now even though I am fighting this one very important ID issue, let me tell you a short story about what kind of person I am so you will understand where I am coming from...

One time while my wife was pregnant and about to deliver she needed to go to the store. I tried my best to let me go in for her but because she needed some “personal” items and the eyeliner had to be the right color so I lost the argument.

Because of her condition I took a risk and parked in one of the handicapped spaces. As soon as she was in the store an officer pulled in and parked behind me (blocking the whole entrance in or out of the store parking lot creating an extreme traffic hazard himself by the way). He asked for my handicap credentials. I explained that my wife was about ready to pop and that is why I parked there. He didn’t have any compassion at all and wrote me up anyhow.

Well he was right, I did park where I should not have and deserved the ticket. So the ticket was $50. When I went into the courthouse to just pay the ticket my uncle who was acting bailiff that day came over and asked me what I was doing there. I explained what had happened and that I owed the ticket because I was in the wrong.

He immediately told me I need to fight the ticket. Why? “Because I am familiar with that space you are talking about and it is no longer properly marked. The sign is so faded you can’t read it, and the lines are worn off. It is no longer “obvious” as a handicap space.

But uncle chuck? I am guilty and I’m just going to pay the ticket and get it over with. He argued again and said, look you need to fight this so that they will be forced to fix it for others. I took him aside out of hearing range of others and told him “But Chuck... I had an open beer I slipped under the seat as he pulled up next to me. I feel lucky this was all I got...”

“Oh...” As an alcoholic himself who has done that himself he let me off the hook at that point to go just pay the ticket. I walked up to the counter and of course who comes to the counter? My Aunt... Slow day so she is helping man the counter. “What are you here for?” A parking ticket... “Wait! did you talk to your uncle Chuck first?”.

Yes I did can I please just pay the ticket and go? lol

The point of the story is right is right and wrong is wrong. Period. Rulings CAN be wrong. And if they are right I will support the fact they are right. But if they are wrong I am going to fight as hard as I can against them because they are wrong.

This is what honest “law abiding” citizens should do. Just is just, unjust is unjust no matter how the courts rule. Contrary to popular belief, Cops are not righteous Gods and always right. Good lord do I know going up surrounded by them...


158 posted on 12/09/2023 10:34:29 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Jonty30

By the way... My LE father was proud of me for fighting against my aunt and uncle and just paying the ticket because I was guilty and knew it... :)


159 posted on 12/09/2023 10:51:57 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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