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The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
Mises Institute ^ | Nov. 20, 1999 | Richard J. Mayberry

Posted on 11/22/2023 3:22:26 PM PST by FreedomPoster

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To: Romulus

Ponce de León

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Juan-Ponce-de-Leon

Born into a noble family, Ponce de León was a page in the royal court of Aragon and later fought in a campaign against the Moors in Granada. It is possible that he began his career of exploration in 1493 as part of Christopher Columbus’s second expedition to the New World.


21 posted on 11/22/2023 5:49:23 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: jocon307

Historically speaking, it was the Mass and feast celebrating the founding of St Augustine Fla-in 1565.


22 posted on 11/22/2023 5:52:11 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: DLfromthedesert

https://officialrushlimbaugh.com/the-true-story-of-thanksgiving/


23 posted on 11/22/2023 5:55:42 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Romulus

There is always the Scandanavian legend of Leif Erikson.


https://www.britannica.com/biography/Leif-Erikson

Leif Erikson, (flourished 11th century), Norse explorer widely held to have been the first European to reach the shores of North America. The 13th- and 14th-century Icelandic accounts of his life show that he was a member of an early voyage to eastern North America, although he may not have been the first to sight its coast.

The second of the three sons of Erik the Red, the first colonizer of Greenland, Leif sailed from Greenland to Norway shortly before 1000 to serve among the retainers at the court of Olaf I Tryggvason, who converted him to Christianity and commissioned him to urge that religion upon the Greenland settlers. According to Eiríks saga rauða (“Erik the Red’s Saga”), while returning to Greenland in about 1000, Leif was blown off course and landed on the North American continent, where he observed forests with excellent building timber and grapes, which led him to call the new region Vinland (“Land of Wine”). On his return to Greenland, he proselytized for Christianity and converted his mother, who built the first church in Greenland, at Brattahild, Erik the Red’s estate.
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According to the Grænlendinga saga (“Saga of the Greenlanders”) in the Flateyjarbók (“Book of the Flat Islands”), considered by many scholars to be more reliable in some aspects than Eiríks saga rauða, Leif learned of the new land to the west from the Icelander Bjarni Herjólfsson, who had been storm-driven there en route to Greenland about 15 years earlier. The saga pictures Leif equipping an expedition to the new land shortly after 1000. He named the new areas according to their qualities: Helluland (“Land of Flat Rocks”), the Frobisher Bay area in the north (or possibly Cape Chidley on the northern tip of Labrador); Markland (“Land of Forests”), most likely the central coast of Labrador; and, farthest south, Vinland, possibly the area surrounding the Gulf of Saint Lawrence. Further expeditions to Vinland were later made by Leif’s siblings, Thorstein (whom weather forced to turn back before he reached Vinland), Thorvald, and Freydis, as well as by the Icelander Thorfinn Karlsefni.


24 posted on 11/22/2023 5:56:28 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

I am thankful that sometime early on in my fourth decade I read the pertinent sections of William Bradford’s journal on Thanksgiving morning.

Shortly thereafter I determined, like Ronald Reagan, that the Democratic party had left me.


25 posted on 11/22/2023 5:57:52 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Romulus

Texans also claim that their state is the home of the first Thanksgiving. In 1598, Juan de Oñate led an expedition of Spaniards northward from Mexico through the Chihuahua Desert. They were running low on water and food when they stumbled into the Rio Grande valley, where they found water as well as plenty of ducks, geese and fish, but no turkeys. Nonetheless, they celebrated a Thanksgiving service.

In the 21st century, Juan de Oñate fell out of favor with the Wokesters, so his statue, which stood in Alcalde, NM was removed.


26 posted on 11/22/2023 6:07:14 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Angelino97

So how is TG a hoax?

It’s the celebration of the colonists discovering capitalism!


27 posted on 11/22/2023 6:13:17 PM PST by pacificus
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To: Romulus

The Spaniards weren’t tainted with socialism in 1565, either-maybe that is why St. Augustine thrived and is the oldest continuously occupied city in the USA. If the Plymouth bunch had been less into that stuff, Plymouth might have become a city 400 years ago...


28 posted on 11/22/2023 6:15:49 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Romulus

There was another “first Thanksgiving” in Florida in 1564, celebrated by French Huguenot settlers about a year before the one held by the Spaniards in St. Augustine. However, the Spaniards quickly overran this Protestant enclave and expelled its inhabitants.


29 posted on 11/22/2023 6:22:49 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

Being raised on a little ranch in W. Texas, I can see how anyone not familiar with the desert and the surrounding areas finally getting out of the Chihuahua Desert and seeing water and green plants would say a mass, shoot game, and go fishing for food and celebrate...


30 posted on 11/22/2023 6:25:50 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: FreedomPoster

A great book about America’s founding entitled The Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall, deals with all that’s posted here and much more. If you’ve never read it and you like American history it’s a really interesting read. Hard times can produce men of character - if their hearts are yielded to their Creator.


31 posted on 11/22/2023 6:31:49 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: momincombatboots
Listen to Dave Barton break down the written history of this. Jamestown was socialists/communists folks who failed. Plymouth Rock was truly committed to God and the true selfless faith that causes people to prosper together in back breaking work, putting others before themselves.

False. Jamestown (actually James Fort and then James City during this time) was a "company town" and everything in it was the property of a corporation. It was occupied by employees of the Virginia Company. And "propagating of Christian religion to such people, as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God" is the mission statement given by James I in the companies royal charter.

The "Pilgrims" were the shallowest so-called Christians to ever give lip service to the cause. Their little cult hijacked a ship bound for Jamestown and marooned their hostages in a remote location to evade authorities and established an insular and militant religious commune.

Puritans perpetrated some of the largest mass murders of the seventeenth century, and EVERY ONE of their victims was a Christian. That makes it kind of hard to call them Christians.

32 posted on 11/22/2023 6:47:55 PM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: DLfromthedesert; FreedomPoster

Yes. I like Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrams.


33 posted on 11/22/2023 6:48:29 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Angelino97

Why? Nothing changes. I’m sure there were just as many creeps then per capita as we see today.


34 posted on 11/22/2023 6:51:45 PM PST by bigfootbob (Arm Up and Live Free!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Bump


35 posted on 11/22/2023 8:18:24 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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To: Romulus
Proverbs 1 10-15: My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:

Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:

We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:

Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse: My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:

36 posted on 11/22/2023 8:24:37 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

The IQ at FR has been declining for years, but that comment stands out all the same.


37 posted on 11/23/2023 5:20:24 AM PST by Romulus
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanksgiving is a celebration of the end of communism in the United States.


38 posted on 11/23/2023 5:22:08 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: FreedomPoster
"The prevailing condition during those years was not the abundance the official story claims, it was famine and death. The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the last meal of condemned men."

Conditions were so bad they were forced to eat lobster (lobster was so plentiful then it was considered a trash food).

"In 1622, Governor William Bradford of the Plymouth Plantation apologized to guests that the only dish he “could presente their friends with was a lobster…"

39 posted on 11/23/2023 5:37:14 AM PST by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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