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To: DugwayDuke
The anti-vaxxer contingent *assume* that any issue that happens after vaccination, no matter how far removed, is the fault of the vaccines and that the vaccines are extremely dangerous. This even though the vaccines have saved millions of lives.

Some of the "anti-vaxxor" people might assume that, but most of them are looking at facts not emotions. Many of these issues happen to people with no other potential; cause easily identifiable, yet they definitely took the shot and now have similar issues as so many others that took the same shot. Correlation is one of the first steps to proving causation. And with no long-term studies, who knows how long the shot could mess you up for?

And these shots have saved millions of lives? That's just unprovable opinion. Every manufacturer already admits the shots do nothing to prevent infection or transmission, despite what they initially claimed, so why would any other claims they make on efficacy be believable? Originally it did nothing, and now they're admitting it does cause heart problems all over the place, especially in young males.

How can one possibly tell whether or not their shot actually helped? It's just the same as your arguments against long-term shot issues! CoViD-19 is maybe really bad or maybe nothing more than a fly farting in the wind. It's the same randomness without the shot as with it, so why would you even bother risking any issues it might cause?
70 posted on 11/26/2023 10:41:35 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

Svartalfiar wrote: “Many of these issues happen to people with no other potential; cause easily identifiable, yet they definitely took the shot and now have similar issues as so many others that took the same shot.”

These people over-emphasis the adverse effects while ignoring the consequences of COVID infections. These adverse effects are rare.

Svartalfiar wrote: “And these shots have saved millions of lives? That’s just unprovable opinion. Every manufacturer already admits the shots do nothing to prevent infection or transmission, despite what they initially claimed, so why would any other claims they make on efficacy be believable? Originally it did nothing, and now they’re admitting it does cause heart problems all over the place, especially in young males.”

Yes, they have saved millions of lives which can be proven by comparing the fatalities among the unvaccinated with the fatalities among the vaccinated.

No, the manufacturers have not admitted that shots do nothing to prevent infection or transmission. They have admitted that there are breakthrough infections as with all vaccines which isn’t the same thing.

The heart conditions are rare and usually disappear with a few weeks. And, you’re ignoring the fact that COVID is more likely to cause heart conditions than the vaccines.

Svartalfiar wrote: “How can one possibly tell whether or not their shot actually helped? It’s just the same as your arguments against long-term shot issues! CoViD-19 is maybe really bad or maybe nothing more than a fly farting in the wind. It’s the same randomness without the shot as with it, so why would you even bother risking any issues it might cause?”

How can you tell? It’s a matter of probability and statistics. The vaccinated are less likely to become infected, hospitalized, or die.


71 posted on 11/27/2023 5:05:57 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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