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To: MMaschin

“There can be no peace the region until all parties agree to a two-state solution. “

Native Americans in the United States can speak to the equity of the “two state solution”. Once side gets the good land . The other side gets the bad land the side with the good land does’t want. The result is perpetual poverty for the side with the bad land.


16 posted on 10/12/2023 10:15:24 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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To: Soul of the South

Who do you think are the “native Americans”? The Jews or te “Palistinians”? The correct answer is neither. The analogy of Europeans taking over the Anericas to what is happening in Judea is not a good one.


19 posted on 10/12/2023 4:16:34 PM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: Soul of the South

“Native Americans in the United States can speak to the equity of the “two state solution”. Once side gets the good land . The other side gets the bad land the side with the good land does’t want. The result is perpetual poverty for the side with the bad land.”

Maybe that was true 100 years ago, but not today, at least with the tribes in the Pacific Northwest. Additionally since the government allowed the tribes to take over 50% of the annual fisheries, (Boldt Decision, tribes can now arrive by boat under armed guard and harvest what THEY determine to be half of the inventory on non-tribal beaches and the fish in rivers) and established Money Trees, (casinos), the tribes are doing quite nicely.

Speaking about the land, because of the way the US Bureau of Indian Affairs set up the socialist reservation system, the tribal members could care less about maintaining it. Even now, drive through a reservation and you’ll see filth and debris everywhere because they have no respect, or skin in the game.

I thought as the tribes got richer and became more integrated into the American enterprise system, which they are doing quite remarkably here in the PNW, I had hoped they would start cleaning up their reservations and show pride in ownership, that is slow to manifest because they are basically renters from the Feds.

One reason holding them back us how they distribute their land. Since the tribes are flush with gaming dollars many tribes have been on a land buying spree for the past 20 years or so here. When a non tribal parcel is purchased, fee land, because the owner pays taxes that funds the community needs, the tribes apply to have the land absorbed into the trust land, think reservation, and after a 5 year waiting period during which the tribes pay the taxes, the fee land get transferred into a trust designation ending any taxation the community receives.

This allows the tribes in theory to grow their reservations but once again, who holds the deed to the newly acquired land? The Feds. Meanwhile, the school system, roads, hospitals and every other entity that relies on taxes for funding loses revenue yet the tribes use the same schools, highways and drive on the same roads for free.

It seems to me the tribes have a good deal, but it’s completely different than what is going on in the Middle East.


27 posted on 10/19/2023 5:02:20 AM PDT by bigfootbob (Arm Up and Live Free!)
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