[Svartalfiar]

I hope you know that 1776 was a civil war.
That war turned out pretty well -- at least for a few decades.

It wasn't. 1776 was a war of secession, the colonies weren't fighting to take over England. Just as the War between the States wasn't a civil war either: the South didn't fight for control of the country, they just wanted to be left alone.

[icclearly]

It wasn't. 1776 was a war of secession...

I think we are playing word games....

CIVIL WAR: A civil war is a high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale

WAR OF SECCESSION: Wars of secession are internal wars in which the objective of at least one faction is to separate their country into two or more states.

We are both right and they were the same.

We were successful in 1776 but not in 1861.

It may be time to try again.

[central_va]

Secession does not mean war. War comes only if one party wants it.