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To: Petrosius

Still trying to push those lies? No one is buying them.
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Whatever, time will tell. Judging by all the current failed negotiations ( with Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia, etc) the “ starting” point appears to be some form of the Minsk agreements that Ukraine violated in 2014.

What we can be certain of is the Lughansk and Donetsk Independent Republics ( they voted for Independence from Ukraine) and Russia’s Crimea will remain a part of the Russian Federation.


72 posted on 08/19/2023 5:30:49 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
Judging by all the current failed negotiations ( with Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia, etc) the “ starting” point appears to be some form of the Minsk agreements that Ukraine violated in 2014. What we can be certain of is the Lughansk and Donetsk Independent Republics ( they voted for Independence from Ukraine) and Russia’s Crimea will remain a part of the Russian Federation.

Without a dramatic change in the dynamics of the war, that is likely.

Of course, you were confidently posting, less than a month ago, that the nation of Ukraine would not survive the year, much less the war -- All to (sic) obvious now, Ukraine 1991-2023, the quicker the better -- and here you are discussing the terms of the coming Russo-Uke agreement!

That is quite a come down. Such a disappointment for a Putin Fanboi. All the Ukrainian washing machines that won't be stolen, and Ukrainian women that won't be raped

75 posted on 08/19/2023 6:47:45 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: delta7

Despite claims to the contrary, Ukraine fulfilled the requirements of Minsk by granting autonomy to Donetsk and making provisions for a referendum. Rather, it was Russia who violated the Minsk Agreement by not withdrawing its forces, by not handing over the international border to Ukrainian control, and by blocking the referendum that Ukraine had planed.

Nor did Luhansk and Donetsk vote for independence. The 2014 referenda, despite being conducted under Russian military occupation, were for autonomy within Ukraine, not independence or union with Russia. As for the 2022 referenda, they were a farce on the face of them.


76 posted on 08/19/2023 6:55:49 AM PDT by Petrosius
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