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To: Golden Eagle
I think you are miscalculating what Trump and this country is up against. If the global establishment takes out Trump with indictments, there will be no coming back...for the country.

I agree, Trump is facing a lot right now.

No. It's not just Trump. It's the entire freedom loving country that is up against it. It's more than being about Trump. You can't get past that can you.

Trump split the party and his support on that day.

Nope, the party establishment has caused the split.

So it’s not the grand battle of all D vs all R that you’re making it out to be. It’s Trump, and his supporters, against mostly D’s, but a lot of R’s as well.

I NEVER said it was D vs. R. You're making that up. It's normal, freedom loving Americans vs. the uniparty.

It's paper only voting vs. machine voting. It's establishment globalists vs. MAGA. It's freedom of speech advocates vs. folks who lecture people about their peaceful and patriotic protests. I could go on.

296 posted on 08/15/2023 7:36:05 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign; SkyPilot
It's not just Trump. It's the entire freedom loving country that is up against it.

I love freedom. One of my favorite songs of all time is Born Free by Andy Williams. Not just the music, but the lyrics. I used to have a link to the video as my tagline here. If you’ve never heard it, he makes a reference to life being only worth living if you are free. So I value freedom above almost all else, and always will.

As I’m sure you do. We have been of such a like mind on so many topics, for so many years. And probably still are, on most everything but this. But here us what you said that I was responding to:

If the global establishment takes out Trump with indictments, there will be no coming back...for the country.

As a freedom lover, I just do not subscribe to this fatalistic viewpoint, over the fate of Trump, alone. And one of the main reasons why, is that Trump led the lockdowns of America over covid. He even pushed against some states when they wanted to re-open, criticizing their plans as reopening too soon.

I know you like to repeatedly insist that Trump had nothing to do with the lockdowns, but that claim does not square with reality. Especially not when he was the actual impetus for them, nationwide. So the freedom of this country is not directly tied to the fate of Trump. Many of us that value freedom, actually turned against him over this very issue, or at least it played a major part.

the party establishment has caused the split.

No, J6 was the original split in Trump’s support. I was so angry I had a fight with my wife, and wasn’t even here posting. FR lost some great posters that day. Go and read SkyPilot’s last posts here for a clue of what people were feeling that day. He is a great Christian, one of my favorite posters of all time, who simply could not support Trump anymore at that point. It took me all the way up to the 2022 election to finally break free of Trump, but J6 was the maddest I ever was at him on a single day.

The polls in the immediate aftermath were horrific. 90% of Americans opposed the riot. 60% directly blamed Trump. And Trump’s support had dropped from 90% of all Republicans, to 65% in less than 2 weeks. It hasn’t recovered, nor will it. It’s only gone down.

I NEVER said it was D vs. R. You're making that up. It's normal, freedom loving Americans vs. the uniparty.

I’ve already disproven this by showing my own love for freedom. I’m not Uniparty, neither are all the other Freepers now opposed to Trump. We’re conservatives. We vote as a block as Republicans. And that is how disputes like this are inevitably resolved. And without a united Republican party behind him, that Trump squandered away, it is doubtful he will survive this, legally or politically.

But the country will survive. We’ve been through worse. Plus according to most Trump supporters, we were at our all time peak with the greatest President in history in office just three years ago. Even greater than George Washington. Ask Trump if you doubt it. So if we’re just three years removed from our peak, the end is nowhere near.

297 posted on 08/15/2023 10:27:44 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Ultra Conservative)
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